THESE PEOPLE AFTERNOON. WELCOME
TO ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE HEARING. ITEM 12 SB
884 BY SENATOR MCGUIRE HAS BEEN
PULLED AND RE REFERRED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. WE
HAVE 19 MEASURES ON THE AGENDA
TODAY WITH THREE PROPOSED OH,
I'M SORRY TO TWO PROPOSED FOR
CONSENT ITEM TWO. SB 10 13 BY
SENATOR ATKINS AND ITEM THREE.
SB 10 77 BY SENATOR BATES.
PLEASE NOTE, MR BENNETT HAS BEEN
APPOINTED TO FILL THE VACANCY
TODAY. WE WILL START AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEN WHEN WE
HAVE A QUORUM WILL TAKE ROLL.
SEE FIRST, IS HE. MADAM CHAIR.
YES IF I COULD POINT OUT I WAS A
VERY LAST MINUTE ADDITION TO
THIS COMMITTEE AND WITH THE 19
BILLS, I MAY VOTE DIFFERENTLY IN
COMMITMENT ON THE FLOOR, THEN I
VOTE HERE. OUT OF RESPECT FOR
THE CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
FOR THAT RESPECT AND FOR ALL, 19
JOHNSON, THANK YOU. BUT OKAY,
WE'RE JUST. ALL START. I BELIEVE
I DON'T 14. AM I CORRECT? YOU'RE
THE SHERIFF 12 15 CORRECT BY
DEFINITION. NO, I'M TRYING TO
FIND YOUR BILL. I KNOW SOME
SENATORS ARE NOT IN THE ROOM
YET, BUT OUR FIRST SENATOR HAS
BEEN HERE WAITING. SO THANK YOU
. SENATOR NEWMAN S B 12 15.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE EARLY BIRD
GETS THE ORGANICALLY FED AND
HUMANELY RAISED WORM. UH AND
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US EARLY,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. PRESENT
SP 12 15, WHICH AS AMENDED
EXPERIENCE THE DEFINITION OF
COVERED ELECTRONIC DEVICE TO
INCLUDE BATTERY EMBEDDED
PRODUCTS. IN THE CALIFORNIA
ELECTRONIC WASTE PROGRAM,
COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS E WASTE
, WHICH IS RUN BY CAL RECYCLE. I
WOULD LIKE TO START BY ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS AND
THANK PAIGE BROKE OFF FOR HER
DILIGENT WORK ON THIS BILL. AS
YOU MAY BE AWARE BECAUSE OF THE
HAZARDOUS METALS AND CROSSING
MATERIALS CONTAINED IN
BATTERIES, CALIFORNIA CLASSIFIES
THEM AS HAZARDOUS WASTE AND
EXPLICITLY BANS THE DISPOSAL OF
BATTERIES IN SOLID WASTE
LANDFILLS. BECAUSE OF THAT
CONSUMERS ARE EXPECTED TO SAVE
AND SORT UNNEEDED PORTABLE
ELECTRONIC WITH EMBEDDED
BATTERIES AND FINDING
APPROPRIATE DISPOSAL OPTION.
THIS UNFORTUNATELY, TENDS TO BE
MORE THE EXCEPTION THAN THE RULE
SINCE CALIFORNIA CURRENTLY LACKS
A STREAMLINED AND CONVENIENT
FRAMEWORK. FOR COLLECTING AND
RECYCLING BATTERIES, CONSIDERING
THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND
SAFETY ISSUES CREATED BY
IMPROPER DISPOSAL OF BATTERIES.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN
IDEAL. I WOULD ASK EACH OF YOU
AS A POINT OF REFERENCE AS YOU
CONSIDER THE BILL BEFORE YOU
TODAY TO TAKE A MOMENT. TO THINK
ABOUT PRODUCTS THAT CONTAIN
BATTERIES THAT YOU CANNOT
YOURSELF REMOVED. THINK ABOUT
YOUR CHILD'S LIGHT UP SHOES,
YOUR ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH, YOUR
KINDLE, ETCETERA THAT ARE NOW SO
DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN OUR
THOROUGHLY MODERN LIVES IN WHICH
ALL CONTAINED BATTERIES. NOW
THINK ABOUT ALL THE RECHARGEABLE
DEVICES. EVERYBODY CARRIES THESE
DAYS AS WELL. EACH WITH ITS OWN
LITHIUM ION OR SIMILAR BATTERY
FROM THEIR MULTIPLY THOSE PRICE
BY CALIFORNIA'S POPULATION JUST
UNDER 40 MILLION PEOPLE, AND
THEN CONSIDER HOW IMMENSELY
CHALLENGING IS TO PROPERLY
RECYCLE ALL OF THESE BATTERIES,
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE
FACT. THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY NO
UNIFIED AND CONVENIENT SYSTEM IN
PLACE IN OUR STATE. NOW,
CONSIDER THIS IS IMPORTANT IS
IMPORTANT AND ALARMING FACT AS
WELL. EACH OF THOSE MILLIONS OF
BATTERIES CONTAINS HAZARDOUS,
CORROSIVE AND TOXIC MATERIALS
LIKE LITHIUM, MERCURY, CADMIUM
AND LEAD WHEN IMPROPERLY
DISCARDED. BATTERY EMBEDDED,
EMBEDDED PRODUCTS POSE A SERIOUS
ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD WHEN TOSSED
INTO THE TRASH INSTEAD OF BEING
PROBABLY RECYCLED. THEY END UP
IN LANDFILLS, WHERE THEY DECAY
AND LEAK DELICATE AND ALREADY
STRAINED ECOSYSTEMS CAN BE
FURTHER COMPROMISED WHEN EXPOSED
TO BATTERY CHEMICALS. WHEN WE
DRINK FROM TAB WATER FAUCETS, WE
COULD BE INGESTING DANGEROUS
MATERIALS, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES
, THE KIND MOST COMMONLY FOUND
IN RECHARGEABLE ELECTRONIC
DEVICES CAN BE UNSTABLE WHEN
DAMAGED, YOUR CRUSHED AND ONE
IMPROPERLY DISPOSED OF. POST
SERIOUS FIRE, HEALTH AND SAFETY
HAZARDS OVER THE PAST DECADE,
THE MASSIVE INFLUX OF IMPROPERLY
DISPOSED OF LITHIUM ION
BATTERIES INTO CALORIES GINDI,
CALIFORNIA'S WAY STREAM HAVE
RESULTED IN AN ALARMING NUMBER
OF FIRES IN OUR MATERIAL
RECOVERY FACILITIES. ON OUR
WASTE COLLECTION TRUCKS AND IN
OUR LANDFILLS, ACCORDING TO A
2018 CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL SURVEY 20 OF
THE 26 MATERIAL RECOVERY
FACILITIES. SURVEYED HAD
EXPERIENCED AT LEAST ONE FIRE
DURING THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS OF
WHICH 65% OR ALMOST TWO THIRDS
WERE ATTRIBUTED TO IMPROPERLY
DISCARDED BATTERIES. WHEN
LITHIUM ION BATTERIES BURN, THEY
RELEASE FLUORIDE GAS, WHICH
POSES SERIOUS TOXIC THREATS TO
THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF WORKERS
, FIREFIGHTERS AND THE
SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THE
VAPORIZED COMPONENTS HAVE BURNED
BATTERIES ALSO GET TRAPPED IN
THE ATMOSPHERE. AND POLLUTE LEGS
AND STREAMS IN THE FORM OF ACID
RAIN, AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTING TO
GLOBAL WARMING WITHOUT
DRAMATICALLY REDUCING THE NUMBER
OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES
ENTERING CALIFORNIA'S WASTE
STREAM, CALIFORNIA WILL SUFFER
ADDITIONAL FIRES THAT WILL
JEOPARDIZE ONGOING WASTE
OPERATIONS, ALONG WITH THE
HEALTH. AND SAFETY OF WORKERS
AND OUR COMMUNITIES. UNDER ITS
PROVISIONS, SP 12 15 WILL CREATE
A COORDINATED SYSTEM FOR THE
RECYCLING OF PRODUCT AND BETTER
BATTERIES AT LOCATIONS ACROSS
THE STATE, WHICH WILL ALLOW
CONSUMERS TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF
THE BATTERY EMBEDDED PRODUCTS
INSTEAD OF DISCARDING THEM,
ALONG WITH THE REST OF THEIR
HOUSEHOLD TRASH. CONSISTENT WITH
THE EXISTING E WASTE PROGRAM.
CAL RECYCLE DETERMINE A FEE TO
BE APPLIED TO THE COVERED
PRODUCTS AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE
THE FEE TO BE PAID TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF TAX AND FEE
ADMINISTRATION WILL BE
DISTRIBUTED CAL RECYCLE AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF TOXIC SUBSTANCES
AND CONTROL TO COVER THE COST OF
RECYCLING THE PRODUCTS NEWLY
CONTAINED IN THE PROGRAM.
APPROVED COLLECTORS MAY COLLECT
COVER PRODUCTS AND RECEIVE A
PORTION OF THE FEE AS PAYMENT
FOR THEIR ROLE IN THE COLLECTION
OF THESE PRODUCTS AS YOU MAYBE
AWARE LEGISLATION INTENDED TO
FACILITATE BATTERY CYCLING HAS
BEEN EXPLORED BEFORE TO INCLUDE
MY BILL LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS
HELD IN APPROPRIATIONS. AS WELL
AS ANOTHER AND INITIALLY SIMILAR
VEHICLE, WHICH IS WHICH WAS
PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN EARLIER
THIS YEAR. I'M PLEASED TO NOTE
THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE
CURRENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WE
HAVE BEEN PRODUCTIVELY ENGAGING
IN NEGOTIATING WITH AS MANY
AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS AS
POSSIBLE. THE AMENDED BILL
BEFORE YOU IS A DIRECT RESULT OF
THIS CONVERSATIONS, AND YOU KNOW
THAT MANY OF OUR FRIENDS WHO
WERE PREVIOUSLY OPPOSED HAVE
SINCE JOINED US IN SUPPORT ON
THE BASIS OF RECENT AMENDMENTS.
ABOUT WHICH I AM ENCOURAGING FOR
WHICH I AM VERY GRATEFUL BY
EXTENDING THE RECYCLING OF
EMBEDDEDBATTERIES TO THE
ESTABLISHED AND SUCCESSFUL CAL,
RECYCLE THE WASTE SYSTEM. THIS
BILL WILL PREVENT FIRES AND
ENVIRONMENTAL ACCIDENTS FROM
OCCURRING, THEREBY SAVING ON THE
COST OF HIGHER GARBAGE RATES
WHILE ALSO PROTECTING THE HEALTH
OF THE PUBLIC, REDUCING THE RISK
TO WASTE FACILITY WORKERS AND
BETTER SAFEGUARDING CALIFORNIA'S
LAND. WATER AND AIR THE BILL
SPONSORS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH ALL
AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS WERE
SENSITIVE TO THEIR CONCERNS AND
COMMITTED ASSOCIATION
SUCCESSFULLY SECURING SUPPORT OR
NEUTRALITY AMONG ALL PARTIES
WHILE LEAVING THE OVERALL
INTENT. OF THE BILL INTACT. I'M
RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR YOUR
VOTE THIS AFTERNOON WITH ME IN
PERSON TO TESTIFY ARE KAYLA
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF RETHINK
WASTE AND KELLY JENSEN ON BEHALF
OF THE CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION. WITNESSES PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS KAYLA ROBINSON
ON BEHALF OF RETHINK WASTE, A
WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY IN
SAN MATEO COUNTY IN 2016. WE
SUFFERED A DEVASTATING FIRE FROM
A LITHIUM ION BATTERY INDUCED
FIRE AT OUR RECYCLING CENTER,
AND IT COMPLETELY DEVASTATED OUR
FACILITY. IT CAUSED $8.5 MILLION
IN DAMAGES. SHUT US DOWN FOR 90
DAYS AND WE'VE NOW JUMPED FROM
ONE INSURANCE PROVIDER TO 14
INSURANCE SURVIVORS TO HAVE THE
SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE. AND SO
SINCE THE FIRE, WE'VE BEEN VERY
COMMITTED TO FINDING A STATEWIDE
SOLUTION TO DIVERTING BATTERIES
FROM THE WASTE STREAM. BOTH
LOOSE BATTERIES AND BATTERIES
THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN PRODUCTS.
TO PROTECT OUR WORKERS TO
PROTECT OUR PUBLICLY FUNDED
INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO PROTECT
OUR ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENT FROM
ANOTHER DEVASTATING FIRE AND SP
12 15 THAT YOU SEE IN PRINT AND
TODAY, WHICH PROPOSES TO EXPAND
THE STATE'S EXISTING E WASTE
PROGRAM. IS A BYPRODUCT OF
REALLY CLOSE COLLABORATION
BETWEEN VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS
THAT CREATE AND SELL THE
ELECTRONIC PRODUCTS WITH
EMBEDDED BATTERIES. AND IN THE
NEARLY 20 YEARS SINCE THE
PASSAGE OF THE E WASTE RECYCLING
ACT OF 2013 OR 2003 SORRY OVER
£2.2 BILLION OF COVERED VIDEO
DISPLAY DEVICES HAVE BEEN
PROPERLY RECYCLED. HOWEVER SINCE
ITS PASSAGE, THE E WASTE PROGRAM
, UH, ELECTRONIC ENTERING THE
WASTE STREAM HAVE CHANGED SO
MUCH AS I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE
AWARE THEY'VE BECOME MORE
COMMON. THEY HAVE BECOME MORE
SPECIALIZED AND MORE INTRICATE
AND SO SP 12 50 12 15 WILL
MODERATE MODERNIZED THE STATES E
WASTE PROGRAM TO COLLECT
EXPANDED SCOPE OF ELECTRONIC
PRODUCTS WITH EMBEDDED BATTERIES
NOW IN THE MARKET. AND AS
SENATOR NEWMAN MENTIONED THIS
BILL WILL WORK INTEND, UM WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN'S A B
2024 40 TO COLLECT AND RECYCLE
THE FULL SUITE OF TOXIC AND
HAZARDOUS BATTERIES AND TO THE
WASTE STREAM. BOTH LOOSE
BATTERIES AND BATTERY BATTERIES
EMBEDDED IN PRODUCTS AND LASTLY
, SB 12 15 REPRESENTS OUR
COMMITMENT TO COLLABORATION WITH
ALL STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED IN
THIS PROCESS. AND FOR THESE
REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY OR DRIVE
OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BEFORE
WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WITNESS.
I JUST WANT TO ESTABLISH A
QUORUM SINCE WE NOW HAVE ENOUGH
MEMBERS. RIVAS HERE HERE, FLORA
FLORA HERE, BENNETT. HERE HERE,
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. MATHIS
MCCARTHY. MCCARTHY HERE, MART?
SUKI SUKI HERE, SEYARTO TOÀN
WOULD STONE. HERE WE HAVE WE
HAVE A QUORUM, PLEASE. GO AHEAD
. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR KELLY
JENSEN ON BEHALF OF THE CONSUMER
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION
REPRESENTING RETAILERS AND
MANUFACTURERS WERE VERY PLEASED
TO BE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS
CONSENSUS MEASURE, AS THE AUTHOR
INDICATED. THIS IS A PREFERRED
APPROACH. IT'S A SUCCESSFUL
GOVERNMENT PROGRAM. THAT THESE
EMBEDDED BATTERY PRODUCTS CAN
FIT INTO. UM WE ARE HERE AND YOU
KNOW, HOPEFULLY TO INDICATE THAT
WE UNDERSTAND. THIS IS A TWO
THIRDS VOTE. UM, WE'RE GONNA DO
OUR BEST TO MOVE THE BILL
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS TO BE A
PREFERRED APPROACH OVER THE
IRWINS. BILL WITH THAT DEALS
WITH THESE PRODUCTS DIFFERENTLY
AND MORE OF E P R APPROACH.
WE'RE HOPING THIS IS THE START
OF A GREAT CONSENSUS ON MANY
RECYCLING BILLS COMING BEFORE
YOU IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. WE'RE
HAPPY TO LEAD THE WAY AND LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT
SENATOR NEWMAN AND THE
PROPONENTS IN THIS IMPORTANT
MEASURE. THANK YOU NEXT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION
ON THE BILL. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
DINGER PHILO ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA RETAILERS
ASSOCIATION. SENATOR APPRECIATE
YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS MEASURE
, STAFF AND STAFF AS WELL AS
SPONSORS APPRECIATE THE
COLLABORATION REQUESTS AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS JASON
SCHMELZER ON BEHALF OF CO
SPONSOR, CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL. ALSO
NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP, ACTION
COUNCIL, ALAMEDA STOP WASTE AND
WESTERN PLASTER WASTE MANAGEMENT
AUTHORITY. THANK YOU. JONATHAN
CLAY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY OF
SAN DIEGO AND SUPPORT. NICOLE
KOREAN WITH CALIFORNIANS AGAINST
WASTE IS A PROUD COSPONSOR IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. MICHAEL
DAFT, WITH THEIR PREY AND
MAKELELE ON BEHALF OF REPUBLIC
SERVICES AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
GEORGE MILLER ON BEHALF OF THE
TOY INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE
ANY, UH WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. SEE NONE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? OKAY? AH SO I'M HAPPY
TO SUPPORT THIS MEASURE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. I KNOW LITHIUM ION
BATTERIES AND FIRES CAUSED BY
THEM ARE A BIG PROBLEM. UM AND
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD TODAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? JUST RESPECTFULLY.
ASTRONAUTS VOTE. THANK YOU.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON. DID WOULD YOU
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT AS I
MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING TO
ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS MISSED THAT, BUT JUST
WANNA VERIFY IT. THANK YOU. WE
HAD. DO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE
NEED EMOTION. A SECOND. OKAY, WE
HAVE MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI, SECOND BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER MCCARTHY. SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS I FLORA
FLORA I BENNETT HIGH BENNETT. I
FRIEDMAN GARCIA. MATHIS. MATH IS
NOT VOTING. MCCURDY. MCCARTHY
I'M MARTUCCI. RIGHT SOUCI, I SAY
ARTO STONE. STONE. I WOULD. LOOK
AT THE BILL HAS SIX VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR MISSING
MEMBERS. I BELIEVE. ARE YOU
PRESENTING ONE MORE BILL?
OVERSTAY MY WELCOME. YOU'LL SEE
I'M DOING MY NEXT BILL. AND THEN
SENATOR OKAY, WHICH AS WELL AND
I'LL PROBABLY DO SENATOR DODD'S
AS WELL. OH SO I DON'T WANT SO
THEN WE'RE ITEM 15 SP. 13 29.
NO. YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A
SECOND. SENATOR. APPRECIATE
THAT. I THINK YOU'RE IN LUCK. I
CAN'T FIND MY BILL STATEMENTS. I
THINK THERE'S. SHALL I PROCEED?
OH I'M SORRY. I'M SHARING
MEMBERS SAID THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS SP 13 29,
WHICH WILL PROVIDE FUNDING TO
EXPEDITE THE BUILD OUT OF A
STATEWIDE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AND
EQUITY FOCUS. RETAIL. FUELING
NETWORK FOR HYDROGEN FUEL CELL
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. I AM GOING TO
AMEND THIS DRASTICALLY TO SAVE
YOU SOME TIME. AS A MATTER OF
POLICY, CALIFORNIA SUPPORT FOR
AND INVESTMENTS IN ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL AND NOT
ADOPT ANYONE PREFERRED
ALTERNATIVE FUEL OR TECHNOLOGY
PARTY EVER HAS NOT ALWAYS
TRANSLATED INTO PRACTICE TO
DATE, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT
YEARS. PUBLIC INVESTMENTS ARE
PRIOR TO PRIORITIZE THE BUILD
OUT OF BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE TO AT
THE EXPENSE OF HARD AND FUELING
INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS NOT
ENJOYED A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF
SUPPORT HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE
FUNDING. IS A PARTICULARLY SMART
AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
INVESTMENT. TODAY THERE IS A
GROWING CONSENSUS THAT IN ORDER
TO MEET CALIFORNIA IT'S VERY
AMBITIOUS GOALS OF THE CARBON
IZING OUR TRANSPORTATION FLEET.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED BOTH BATTERY
ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HYDROGEN
FUEL CELL VEHICLES AS PART OF
THAT MIX. THIS BILL WOULD
EXPEDITE THE BUILD OUT OF THE
CALIFORNIA'S EXISTING RETAIL
FUELING STATIONS SYSTEM. IT
WOULD ALSO IN DOING SO, WHAT
EMPHASIZE? INVESTMENTS IN
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES TO
ENSURE THAT HYDROGEN FUELING
STATIONS OR WITHIN A USEFUL
RADIUS OF COMMUNITIES FOR WHOM
BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES MAY
NOT MAKE SENSE TO DO TO
COMMUNITIES, ANUSES WORK
PATTERNS. HOUSING DENSITY OR
LACK OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
HYDROGEN IS NOT ONLY A VIABLE
AND ULTIMATELY PROMISING FUEL
OPTION FOR HIS ZERO EMISSIONS
VEHICLES. IT'S A CRITICAL
COMPONENT OF ANY REALISTIC,
INEFFECTIVE PLAN THAT WILL
ENABLE CALIFORNIA TO MEET ITS
OVERALL ZERO EMISSIONS CALLS
WITH ME TO TESTIFY TODAY AS
CHRISTIAN GOMEZ OF THE HYUNDAI
MOTOR CORPORATION, ONE OF THE
TWO LEADING MAKERS OF HARD AND
FUEL CELL VEHICLES CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA
, AND ALSO WITH ME IS THERESA
COOK, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
THE CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN
COALITION. WHO IS ON HAND FOR
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. IF NEEDED.
I RESPECT THE ASPIRIN. I VOTE.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KRISTIN
GÓMEZ, SENIOR GROUP MANAGER OF
ECO STRATEGY AT HYUNDAI MOTOR
AMERICA AND VERY PLEASED TO BE
HERE TO SUPPORT SB 13 29. AS YOU
KNOW, IT ENSURES ROBUST
DEVELOPMENT OF HYDROGEN AND
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER
THE ENERGY COMMISSION'S CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. AS AN
AUTOMAKER. HYUNDAI IS INVESTING
HEAVILY IN BOTH BATTERY ELECTRIC
AND HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS. ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE TECHNOLOGIES
SIMILAR TO CALIFORNIA'S EMISSION
REDUCTION GOALS. HYUNDAI ALSO
HAS ITS OWN COMMITMENT TO
ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY
GLOBALLY BY 2045. GETTING TO
MASSIVE ADOPTION MEANS REACHING
NEW CUSTOMERS AT AN
UNPRECEDENTED SCALE AND
CONVENIENT REFUELING IS
THEREFORE CRITICAL. FUEL CELL
EAVES COMPRISE AN IMPORTANT
ELEMENT OF OUR XEV GROWTH
STRATEGY FOR THIS, AMONG OTHER
REASONS. FOR INSTANCE, RESIDENTS
LIVING IN MULTI FAMILY UNITS
WITHOUT ACCESS TO RESIDENTIAL OR
WORKPLACE CHARGING ARE WELL
SUITED TO FUEL CELL LEVI S
BECAUSE THEY OFFER LONGER
DRIVING RANGES AND QUICKER
REFUELING. THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD'S MOBILE SOURCE STRATEGY
IS IN ALIGNMENT, NOTING THAT
BETWEEN 17 AND 25% OF PASSENGER
VEHICLES WILL BE FUEL CELL.
LEVI'S ON ACCOUNT OF THOSE
DRIVERS WHO DO REQUIRE FAST
REFUELING, PARTICULARLY IN
LARGER SIZE PASSENGER VEHICLES.
WHILE CALIFORNIA IS ON PACE TO
HAVE 200 HYDROGEN STATIONS BY
2026. THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT
COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE STATE S
P. 13 29 GIVES THE ENERGY
COMMISSION THE ABILITY TO INVEST
IN STATEWIDE NETWORK OF
APPROXIMATELY 1000 STATIONS
SERVING 97% OF THE DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND 97% OF THE
GEOGRAPHIC STATE. IN ADDITION,
WE KNOW THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF
ENTHUSIASM. ENTHUSIASM EXCUSE ME
AROUND HEAVY DUTY FUEL CELL
VEHICLES. AND WHILE WE FEEL THE
SAME, YOU MAY KNOW THAT HYUNDAI
HAS ITS OWN CLASS EIGHT HEAVY
DUTY FUEL CELL VEHICLE. IT'S
IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT
PASSENGER VEHICLE VOLUMES
ACCOUNT FOR AN ORDER OF
MAGNITUDE MORE THAN HEAVY DUTY
VEHICLES. WE AND OTHER
AUTOMAKERS REPRESENTING 40% OF
THE NEW VEHICLE MARKET HAVE
COLLECTIVELY SPENT BILLIONS
COMMERCIALIZING LIGHT DUTY FUEL
CELL LEAVES AND SUPPORT OUR
DRIVERS FUEL COSTS WHILE
PRODUCTION OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. WHERE
COMMITTED TO THIS TECHNOLOGY
BECAUSE OF THE CRITICAL GHD AND
TOXIC ERROR EMISSION FUEL ARM.
FUEL CELL TVS IN THE HYDROGEN
FUEL IT USES WILL HELP TO REDUCE
IN THIS STATE. FOR THESE
REASONS. WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT
ON THIS, BILL. THANK YOU. I'LL
KEEP MY TESTIMONY SORT SHORT.
THERESA COOK ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN COALITION
AND THE CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN
BUSINESS COUNCIL IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT IN THE
ROOM. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR,
ISRAEL SALAS WITH THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA GAS COMPANY AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. JOHN WHITE
WITH A CLEAN POWER CAMPAIGN IN
SUPPORT.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS MIKE MONEGAN
, AND YOU HAVE TO STATE BUILDING
AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. DO WE
HAVE? WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
SEE NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SENATOR I
THINK THIS IS A GREAT BILL AND I
WOULD LOVE TO COME ON AS A CO
AUTHOR WITH YOU IN THIS
ENDEAVOR. GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI. THANK YOU. ETCETERA.
I APPRECIATE THE. YOUR WORK AND
YOUR COMMITMENT TO ZERO MISSION
VEHICLES WAS WONDERING IF YOU
CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERN RAISED
BY THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
ASSOCIATION. UM. INDICATING IN
THEIR LETTER THAT FUNDING FOR
XEV INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD REMAIN
TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL AND SHOULD
RESPOND TO THE CURRENT MARKET
TRENDS FOR BATTERY ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. I ALSO NOTED. SIERRA
CLUB IN THEIR MARCH MAY 20TH
LETTER, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTED
THE FACT WELL, ACCORDING TO THEM
THAT THERE ARE JUST OVER 13,000
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL VEHICLES ON
THE ROAD AND THE ENTIRE UNITED
STATES WHILE THERE ARE 425,000
ELECTRIC LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES IN
CALIFORNIA ALONE. WHY SHOULD WE
BE? SETTING ASIDE MONEY FOR
LIGHT DUTY HYDROGEN FUEL
CHARGING SO LET ME ANSWER THE
FIRST HALF. AND I'M SURE MISS
GOMEZ LIKE THAT ANSWER THE
SECOND. UH, AS I MENTIONED IN MY
TESTIMONY THAT THE UM,
CONSENSUS. LOOKING TOWARD 2045
2035. THAT IS THAT THE ONLY WAY
CALIFORNIA GETS TO A FULLY DE
CARBONIZED FLEET IS TO HAVE A
MIX OF THE TWO. YOU KNOW THE TWO
COMMERCIALLY VIABLE TECHNOLOGIES
FOR ZERO EMISSIONS VEHICLES. ONE
IS BATTERY ELECTRIC, THE OTHERS
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL. UM AND SO WE
HAVE NO INTENTION OF
DISADVANTAGING EITHER PLATFORM.
WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO
THROUGH THIS BILL IS TO ENSURE
THE OPPOSITE TO ENSURE THAT BOTH
PLATFORMS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
TO REACH SELF SUFFICIENCY, AND I
THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CREDIBLE
ARGUMENT THAT THIS INVESTMENT
GETS YOU A BETTER COST BENEFIT
YIELDED GETS THE FUEL CELL
ELECTRIC VEHICLE HYDRANT
PLATFORM TO SELF SUFFICIENCY
ACTUALLY MUCH FASTER AT A LOWER
COST. AND LET ME LET MISS GÓMEZ
ANSWERED THE QUESTION WITH
RESPECT TO THE INSTALLED BASE OF
VEHICLES RIGHT NOW. WELL WHAT I
WOULD SAY, FRANKLY, IS WHAT, UM
YEAH. WHAT HYUNDAI NEEDS FROM
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS A
COMMITMENT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE
. UM I THINK THE VEHICLES WILL
COME IF WE HAVE THAT COMMITMENT
, BUT WITHOUT A SIGNAL FROM THE
STATE, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY
BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO
BE MADE OR DIFFICULT FOR THE
COMPANY. AND SO I WOULD URGE YOU
TO CONSIDER THAT WE DO NOT
BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE A
DECISION MADE IN 2030 YEAR, 2035
WHEN THE STATE DISCOVERS THAT,
UM BEV'S CAN'T DO IT ALL. AND
KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD
IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THAT VERY
REASON. SO WE WOULD URGE YOU TO
REALLY CONSIDER TAKING ACTION
NOW WITH THE PASSAGE OF THIS
BILL. IF YOU DON'T MIND, SO LET
ME ASK MISS COOK TO SPEAK OF
THIS AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM,
ASSEMBLYMAN. I JUST WANT TO
REASSURE YOU THAT THE LANGUAGE
AND THE BILL NOW STILL ALLOWS
THE ENERGY COMMISSION TO BE THE
ULTIMATE DECIDER BASED ON DATA
THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE OF
WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD GO,
SO I HOPE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING
MUCH AS SENATOR NEWMAN TRIED TO
OFFER THAT YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY
NEUTRAL APPROACH AND ALLOWING
OUR ADMINISTRATORS TO SORT OF
HANDLE THE ALLOCATION FROM
THERE. THE SECOND THING THAT I
WOULD SAY IS JUST REALLY TO
REITERATE DATA THAT WE KNOW IS
COMING FROM OUR LEAD AGENCY
AROUND DECARBONIZATION THAT OUR
RESOURCES BOARD WE SPENT TWO
DAYS LAST WEEK. AT THE ARB BOARD
MEETING DISCUSSING THE SCOPING
PLAN, AND WE ARE SETTING UP A
PUBLIC EXPECTATION ABOUT THE
AVAILABILITY OF FUELING
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES. THAT IS NOT GOING TO
BE THERE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
COMPLAINTS WITH ADVANCED CLEAN AND THE EXPECTATION THAT
FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE PREPARED
TO DEAL WITH THIS IN 2024. WE
ARE HERE TO URGE YOU TO
UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE VERY MANY
STEPS BEHIND ON WHERE WE NEED TO
BE IN FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
HYDROGEN, AND THIS IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH US UP SO
THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH ON
OUR COMMITMENT TO HAVE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. FOR ALL
OF THE FLEET OPERATORS AND
PASSENGER, YOU KNOW INDIVIDUAL
FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO
BE BUYING THE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES. SO YOU KNOW THE DATA
FROM OUR REGULATORY PARTNERS
SUPPORTS THE YOU KNOW, POINTS
THAT WE'RE OFFERING HERE TODAY.
IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR. I MEAN,
SENATOR, I'M NOT SURE. WHAT
YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS A AS A
CONSENSUS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT
OUR RECENT CONFERENCES THAT I'VE
ATTENDED, UM AH! THE PROPONENTS
OF ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES REALLY
EMPHASIZED THAT WE SHOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING
ON AH, THE ELECTRIFICATION OF
OUR LIGHT DUTY VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. IN THAT
HYDROGEN, YOU KNOW, UM. WOULD
AND SHOULD BE LEFT FOR THE MORE
HARD TO ELECTRIFY SECTORS SUCH
AS AS AS HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS,
WHICH YOU KNOW I'M FULLY IN
SUPPORT OF BUILDING UP OUR HEAVY
DUTY. TRUCK FUELING
INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT I I'M JUST
CONCERNED AS TO THE LIGHT DUTY.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURE HYUNDAI WOULD
APPRECIATE A CALIFORNIA BUILDING
MORE LIKE DO THE HYDROGEN
FUELING STATIONS. BUT AGAIN, I
MEAN, IF WE WERE HERE TO SERVE
THE PEOPLE, THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND NOT HYUNDAI OR,
YOU KNOW, I MEAN TOYOTA IN MY
DISTRICT. OR AT LEAST FORMALLY
IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, UM
SHOWED ME THEIR THEIR HYDROGEN
FUELING STATION AND YET, YOU
KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHERE.
WE WE SHOULD BE RESPONDING TO
WHERE THE DEMAND IS THE GREATEST
AND I THINK THE DEMAND IS THE
GREATEST WITH ELECTRIC LIGHT
DUTY VEHICLES. THANK YOU. IF I
MAY ONE COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING
THAT WE RUN INTO IS A LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HEAVY
DUTY AND THE LIGHT DUTY FUEL
CELL. E V S. UM AND SO AT A VERY
HIGH LEVEL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE
TECHNOLOGIES THRIVE TOGETHER.
NOT SEPARATELY. UM, THE HEAVY
DUTY VEHICLES HAVE MORE HYDROGEN
STACKS IN THEM. IT BRINGS DOWN
THE COST OF THE STACKS FOR LIGHT
DUTY VEHICLES. UM ON THE OTHER
HAND, THE, UH, THE LIGHT DUTY
VEHICLES ACTUALLY GETTING IT, UM
MIXED BUT THE HEAVY DUTY
VEHICLES TO BRING DOWN THE COST
AND THE STACKS ARE ARE BROUGHT
DOWN BY THE PASSENGER VEHICLES
JUST BECAUSE OF THE RAW NUMBERS
OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD
WITH LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES, AND SO
THIS ECOSYSTEM IS ABSOLUTELY
CRITICAL TO BRINGING HEAVY DUTY
VEHICLES. TO MARKET TO BE ABLE
TO ACHIEVE SCALE ON THAT
TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT LIGHTING DUTY
VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN
SUPPORT LIGHT DUTY FUEL CELL E
V. S. THE ABILITY FOR HYUNDAI T. EXECUTE THAT TECHNOLOGY HERE
IN THE WAY THAT IS CONTEMPLATED
UNDER THE ADVANCED CLEAN TRUCKS
RULE, UM, BEGINS TO COME INTO
QUESTION. AND SO WE REALLY FIND
THAT THE COSTS SAVEDON EACH
SIDE, BRINGING DOWN THE COST FOR
THE END USER. IT'S ABSOLUTELY
CRITICAL THAT BOTH TECHNOLOGIES
ARE SUPPORTED BY THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. I WOULD JUST OFFER
IF I CAN. YOU KNOW, ASSEMBLYMAN
, WE HEAR THAT COMMENT A LOT
THAT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL
COMMUNITY. THEY BELIEVE THAT
LIMITING HYDROGEN ND USES TO
AVIATION RAIL MARINE IS THE
PREFERRED WAY TO GO. AND I HAVE
TO ASK YOU ALL TODAY. I DON'T
KNOW WHO THAT SERVES. WHY WOULD
WE TAKE AWAY FROM OUR TOOLBOX
AND OPTION TO GIVE A ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE TO ANY DRIVER
IN CALIFORNIA THAT WANTS ONE AND
SO I DON'T THINK REDUCTIVE
STRATEGIES ARE GOING TO GET US
TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO, AND I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN
MIND, ACCORDING TO THE 2022 23
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM
ANALYSIS THAT THE CEO DID.
NEARLY 40% OF BLACK AND AFRICAN
AMERICAN HOUSEHOLDS ARE IN HIGH
DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER TOXIC
EMISSIONS COMMUNITIES AS OUR 29%
OF ASIAN AMERICAN HOUSEHOLDS IN
27% OF LATINO HOUSEHOLDS. WE
HAVE A BIG JOB TO DO, AND WE
NEED TO ALL BE COMING TO THE
TABLE WITH EVERY RESOURCE
AVAILABLE TO US TO TRY TO GET
THAT TRANSITION TO ZERO EMISSION
FROM PASSENGER LEVEL OF 28
MILLION VEHICLES ALL THE WAY UP
TO THE AIRPLANES IN THE SKY, SO
THANK YOU. I MEAN AGAIN. I WOULD
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE DIESEL
POLLUTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
LIGHT DUTY CARS. WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GAS
POWERED CARS. AND SO I THINK THE
DIESEL. THIS ISSUE IS PRIMARILY
FOR THE HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS AS TO. YOU KNOW, LEAVING ALL OPTIONS
, YOU KNOW, FOR CALIFORNIA
CONSUMERS, I THINK YOU KNOW
WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING
SEVERAL BILLS TODAY ON HYDROGEN
, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KEEP
IN MIND THAT IT IS VERY ENERGY
INTENSIVE TO MAKE HYDROGEN FUEL.
AND SO AGAIN, WE NEED TO, YOU
KNOW, MAXIMIZE OUR STATE
INVESTMENTS AND WHAT IS, YOU
KNOW? BEST POSITION TO SERVE
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS. THANK YOU
. THANKS NEXT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FLORA. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SENATOR, I WANT TO JUST SAY I
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS
BILL FORWARD AND I ACTUALLY
THINK THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
AND THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE
PUT FORTH HAVE NOT ALLOWED
ALLOWED FOR TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL
ENVIRONMENT WHEN IT COMES TO, UM
DE CARBONIZED OUR ENVIRONMENT.
COMING FROM THE CENTRAL VALLEY.
I THINK HYDROGEN IS A HUGE PART
OF REACHING THOSE GOALS. WE TEND
TO BE SOLELY FOCUSED ON ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND CHARGING STATIONS,
AND I AGREE WITH THE
OPPOSITION'S LETTER THAT IT
SHOULD BE TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL AND
REMAIN, UM WE ARE SUPPOSED TO
CREATE ENVIRONMENT TOO DEEP
CARBONIZED. AND WHEN WE SET
BILLS FORWARD THAT SOLELY
BENEFIT ONE. PART OF THIS
ENVIRONMENT. I THINK WE SET
OURSELVES UP FOR BILLS THAT
THESE BILLS BECOME NECESSARY.
BECAUSE HYDROGEN YOU GO TO OTHER
COUNTRIES. EVERYTHING IS PART OF
THE CARBON IZING WHETHER IT'S
HYDROGEN. UM NATURAL GAS,
ELECTRICITY. ALL THESE THINGS
LARGE, HYDRO LIKE WE HAVE THESE
THINGS THAT WERE JUST SO FOCUSED
ON A CERTAIN ASPECT OF OUR OF
OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND IT'S SOLELY
ON THE ELECTRIFICATION. AND
SOMETIMES I THINK WE GET SHORT
SIGHTED WITH THAT. AND SO I AM
EXCITED THAT THIS IS FORWARD. UM
WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHT DUTY
VEHICLES, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT
OF F TWO FIFTIES OUT THERE THAT
ARE DIESELS THAT PULL TRAILERS.
BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT WITH
AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, BUT WE
COULD WITH HYDROGEN. WE HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SO I WOULD JUST
ENCOURAGE US AS AN INDUSTRY AS A
AS A COMMITTEE TO REALLY TAKE A
LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE IF
DECARBONIZATION IS OUR ULTIMATE
GOAL, THEN ALL ASPECTS OF IT
NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE, NOT
JUST ONE. UM YOU KNOW,
ELECTRIFICATION VERSUS ANOTHER.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS. THIS IS NOT
AN ISSUE WITH THE ELECTRIC
VEHICLE COMMUNITY. I SUPPORT
THEM FULLY, AND IT'S NOT A SHOT
AT THEM. BUT I THINK WE AS A
COMMITTEE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE KEEP ALL OPTIONS ON THE
TABLE. SO I APPRECIATE THIS
BUILDING FORWARD. I APPRECIATE
THE COMMITTEE MOVING THIS BILL
FORWARD, AND I'M PROUD TO BE A
CO AUTHOR. SHE SHE ATE THEM.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS JUST
MANAGE TRUTH, I THINK IT'S WORTH
POINTING OUT THE TECHNOLOGY HERE
. I THINK MR FLOOR IS ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT. WE HAVE TO BE AGNOSTIC TO
THIS APPROACH. BUT I THINK
SOMETHING EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO
KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE
STORING ELECTRONS INTO A
BATTERY, WHETHER IT'S LITHIUM OR
COLDER OR WHATEVER YOU'RE
STORING LIKE ELECTRONS INTO A
BATTERY WITH HYDROGEN FUEL. WHAT
YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE STORING
ELECTRONS INTO HYDROGEN. SO
YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT EITHER
WAY YOU'RE STORING ELECTRONS.
AND THEN WE GET INTO THESE
DEBATES, AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR
MORE TODAY ABOUT WELL WHAT'S
GREEN HYDROGEN VERSUS GRAY
HYDROGEN VERSUS BLUE HYDROGEN,
BUT WE DON'T TEND TO HAVE THAT
SAME ARGUMENT. WHEN WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT STORING
ELECTRICITY. IN THE BATTERIES.
WE DON'T SIT HERE AND GO. WELL
WHERE DID THAT ELECTRICITY COME
FROM? BUT YET WE'RE DOING THAT
ON THE HYDROGEN FRONT. AND WE
NEED TO STOP DOING THAT. WHEN
YOU START LOOKING AT WE HAVE TWO
DIFFERENT WAYS TO STORE
ELECTRONS. THEY BOTH WORKED VERY
WELL. AND WE NEED TO LEAVE ALL
THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. I JUST
WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AS WE'RE
GETTING INTO THIS HYDROGEN
DEBATE TODAY. THANK YOU. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I WOULDN'T
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATION AND THANK YOU TO
BOTH MY WITNESSES FOR BEING
HERE. UM FIRST TO MR SEARCHES
POINT. UM CALIFORNIA DESPITE OUR
LARGE INVESTMENTS HAS HAS
ACTUALLY ALLOCATED LESS THAN 5%
OF TOTAL SPENDING ON
DECARBONIZATION TO THE HYDROGEN
FUEL CELL PLATFORM. SO WHAT
WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE AND AGAIN.
IT'S UH, SORT OF UNDER THE
PURVIEW OF CTC IS SIMPLY TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE MAKE THOSE
INVESTMENTS THAT GIVE US
COLLECTIVELY THE BEST CHANCE. AT
PROGRESS TOWARDS DECARBONIZATION
. UH SECONDLY, THERE'S DESPITE
THE LEAD THAT YOU REFERENCE
BETWEEN BATTERY ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND FUEL CELL ELECTRIC
PERIODS THAT THE OVERALL SHARE
OF ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES AND
THE LARGER TRANSLATED LEE IS
ACTUALLY STILL QUITE SMALL. AND
THIS COULD CHANGE A LOT,
ESPECIALLY BASED ON CONSUMER
BEHAVIOR, BUT ALSO INNOVATION TO
MISS GÓMEZ HIS POINT, THERE ARE
VERY PROMISING PATHWAYS TOWARD
BOTH INCREASED, DECREASING THE
COST RELATIVE TO GASOLINE OF
RETAIL HYDROGEN, BUT ALSO, YOU
KNOW, THE OF ALSO FINDING
CLEANER AND MORE EFFICIENT WAYS
TO PRODUCE HYDROGEN, CALIFORNIA
WE'VE WE'VE JUST BEGUN, AND
THAT'S WHY WE NEED AN ALL OF THE
ABOVE STRATEGY. AND THE LAST
THING I NOTICED IS, YOU KNOW,
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
MONEY AVAILABLE AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL IN THE I A. J. A FOR
HYDROGEN HUBS IN CALIFORNIA'S
GOING TO BE A AGGRESSIVELY
COMPETING. TO WIN OUR
INVESTMENTS IN RETAIL HYDROGEN
FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE IS
PROBABLY THE BEST CALLING CARD
WE HAVE IN DIFFERENTIATING
OURSELVES FROM OTHER STATES. AND
SO ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT WE
WOULD INVEST NOW WOULD BE
COUNTED AS MATCHING FUNDS IN
THOSE BIDS. AND WE'LL GET US
THAT MUCH CLOSER TO NOT ONLY NOT
ONLY BEING AWARDED A HYDROGEN
HUB GRANT, BUT BUT DOING WHAT
CALIFORNIA'S ARE PROUD OF US IS
CONTINUING OUR LEADERSHIP ROLE
IN DEVELOPING NEW TECHNOLOGIES
IN THE SERVICE OF CLEAN ENERGY.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK YOU
FOR YOUR VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. WE HAVE EMOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS.
SECRETARY, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL? WAS IT. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS.
RIVAS RIVAS. I FLORA FLORA I
BENNETT FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA
I MATHIS METHODS. I'M MCCARTY.
MCCARTHY I MERIT SOUCI.
MURATSUCHI NOT VOTING SEYARTO
TOÀN AN. STONE. I WOULD. WE
HAVE SIX VOTES WILL LEAVE THAT
OPEN FOR MISSING MEMBERS. I
BELIEVE ONE MORE BILL PRESENTED
BY, UH, SENATOR NEWMAN ON BEHALF
OF SENATOR LAYER THAT'S ITEM 10.
SB 11 48, AND AFTER THIS, WE
WILL GO TO FILE ORDER. THANK YOU
FOR PRESENTING THIS ON BEHALF OF
SENATOR LAIRD. ALRIGHT SO NO%
NEED TO BE SO NICE TO MEET ON
THIS ONE. UM MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT SPLM 48
ON BEHALF. SIMILARITY IS UNDER
THE WEATHER TODAY, SENATOR LARRY
WILL BE ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS LAID OUT IN THE
ANALYSIS, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK ON THE JUDICIAL REVIEW
LANGUAGE SO THAT IT REMAINS
CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING SECRET
GUIDELINES. SB 11 48 AIMS TO
STREAMLINE THE REVIEW AND
APPROVAL PROCESS OF ANNUAL
CANNABIS LICENSES. BY
ELIMINATING A REDUNDANT SECRET
REVIEW BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
CANNABIS CONTROL AFTER A LOCAL
JURISDICTION HAS COMPLETED A
SITE SPECIFIC SEQUEL REVIEW.
CURRENTLY, TWO SECRET REVIEWS
ARE REQUIRED FOR THE SAME
PROJECT. THIS BILL WILL REDUCE
THAT NUMBER TO ONE, THE
ADDITIONAL TIME AND RESOURCES
SPENT BY APPLICANTS AND
DEPARTMENT STAFF DURING THIS
DUPLICATED PROCESS SLOWS
LICENSURE. SB 11 48 WILL
STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS AND
IMPROVE THE TRANSITION. OF
THOUSANDS OF PROVISIONAL
LICENSES TO ANNUAL LICENSES.
THIS BILL HAS ENJOYED BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT AND NO NO VOTES THUS FAR
HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
SENATE BILL IN 48, ITS ORIGINS
COUNCIL MEGAN ALREADY MHM WILL
BE IN PERSON TO TESTIFY. THANK
YOU, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. QUÊ GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MEGAN ALLRED,
TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF THE
ORIGINS COUNCIL, REPRESENTING
NEARLY 900, LICENSED SMALL AND
INDEPENDENT CANNABIS BUSINESSES
IN SIX RURAL PRODUCING COUNTIES
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA.
CALIFORNIA'S LEGALIZATION
FRAMEWORK PLACES SIGNIFICANT
WEIGHT UPON LOCAL CONTROL. THIS
IS NECESSITATED THAT INDUSTRY
WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH
JURISDICTIONAL GOVERNMENTS TO
HELP DEVELOP LOCAL CANNABIS
PROGRAMS AND LAND USE POLICIES.
THE MEMBERS OF ORIGINS COUNCIL
HAVE WORKED WITH THEIR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO HELP DEVELOP OVER
A DOZEN LAND USE ORDINANCES FOR
COMMERCIAL CANNABIS CULTIVATION
OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. THIS
WORK IS REINFORCED ORGANIZATIONS
RESEARCH BASED APPROACH TO
ADVOCACY WORKING WITH ACCREDITED
ADVISERS TO ASSIST US WITH
SPECIALIZED POLICY AREAS SUCH AS
SEQUENCE. IN 2021 ORIGINS
COUNCIL UNDERTOOK A TECHNICAL
ANALYSIS TO STUDY THE FUNCTIONAL
INTERPLAY BETWEEN SEQUA STATE
LICENSING AND LOCAL LAND USE
REGULATION FOR CANNABIS. THIS
REPORT CAN BE FOUND ON OUR
WEBSITE. THE REPORT FINDINGS
INDICATE THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM
IS DUPLICATIVE, INEFFICIENT AND
ANOMALOUS AND NORMAL SEQUEL
PROCESS FLOW, WHICH IS
SIGNIFICANTLY CHALLENGING
IMPLEMENTATION UNDER NORMAL
SEQUEL PROCESS FLOW. SECRET
REVIEW FOR LOCAL PROJECTS ARE
GENERALLY AND WE BELIEVE
APPROPRIATELY. UNDER THE PURVIEW
OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SB 11 48
SEEKS TO BETTER ALIGN THE
CANNABIS FRAMEWORK WITH NORMAL
SEQUEL PROCESS FLOW. LAST YEAR,
THE LEGISLATOR LEGISLATURE
SUPPORTED THE CONSOLIDATION OF
THE STATE'S CANNABIS LICENSING
AGENCIES IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
THE DCC IN AN EFFORT TO REMOVE
DUPLICATIVE PROCESSES. AND
STREAMLINE THE STATE'S CANNABIS
LICENSING AND REGULATORY SYSTEM
FOR CANNABIS. YESTERDAY I
CANNABIS TRIP BUDGET TRAILER
BILL WAS INTRODUCED A REAL 1 95
, AMONG OTHER POLICIES. THIS
TRAILER BILL PROPOSES THE
FORMULATION. I'M SORRY FORMATION
OF A MULTI AGENCY TASK FORCE ON
STATE AND LOCAL REGULATION OF
COMMERCIAL CANNABIS ACTIVITY.
THE TASK FORCE WILL BE PURPOSED
WITH PROMOTING COMMUNICATION AND
COOPERATION BETWEEN STATE AND
LOCAL AGENCIES. REGULATING
CANNABIS IN ORDER TO BETTER
IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE STATE AND
LOCAL CANNABIS LAWS. SB 11 FOR
THE 48 FURTHERS THIS CRITICAL
MULTIYEAR EFFORT INTO THE STATE
TO REMOVE DUPLICATIVE LICENSING
REQUIREMENTS AND ENHANCED
COORDINATION BETWEEN STATE AND
LOCAL CANNABIS REGULATING
AGENCIES. THIS BILL WILL PROVIDE
MUCH NEEDED EFFICIENCY TO
CALIFORNIA'S CANNABIS LICENSING
SYSTEM IN TURN STRENGTHENING
STRENGTHENING THE REGULATED
MARKET. AN EFFICIENT, WELL
COORDINATED REGULATORY SYSTEM IS
OUR GREATEST TOOL TO COMBAT
ILLICIT CULTIVATION AND THE
EGREGIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL HARM
THAT IT CAN INFLICT UPON OUR
PRECIOUS NATURAL RESOURCES.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE OUR COMMENTS. WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF SPLM 48. THANK YOU
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, RAND
MARTIN ON THE PARENT COMPANY,
ONE OF THE LARGEST VERTICALLY
INTEGRATED CANNABIS COMPANIES IN
THE STATE AND VERY STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
ALICIA PRIEGO ON BEHALF OF
KEEPING CONFECTIONS AND ALSO,
THE CALIFORNIA CAN BEST
MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, AMY
JENKINS ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CANNABIS INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION, AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION?
OKAY, ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION I DON'T THINK NONE.
OKAY? AMBER SAID. HOW WOULD
THREATEN PRICE CONSULTING ON
BEHALF OF THE NATURE CONSERVANCY
, CHILD AND LIMITED COUCH TROUT
? DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE,
CALIFORNIA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY
AND CALIFORNIA COASTAL
PROTECTION NETWORK OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS PATMAN WITH AARON
READING ASSOCIATES, REPRESENTING
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS WERE
OPPOSED TO THE BILL. UNLESS
AMENDED, UM WE THINK REMOVING
THE CC AS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY
TO REVIEW SEQUA IS INAPPROPRIATE
WHERE THE BACKSTOP WHERE THE
FINAL REVIEW OF SEQUA, AND WE
THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO DO
SO. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I SEE NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND
A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE ON BEHALF OF SENATOR
LAIRD? I RESPECTFULLY ASTRONAUT
VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FLORA, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. FLORA. I BENNETT.
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. NOT VOTING.
MATHIS MATHIS I MCCARTY
MCCARTHY. I'M MURATSUCHI.
MURATSUCHI NO SUHARTO STONE.
STONE. I WOULD. UH THAT BILL HAS
FIVE VOTES WILL LEAVE IT ON CALL
. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK
YOU MEMBERS. SO NEXT WE'LL GO IN
FILE ORDER. SINCE WE HAVE
SEVERAL AUTHORS IN THE ROOM.
ITEM ONE. SB 13 22 BY SENATOR
ALLEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM
CHAIR. NICE TO SEE YOU MEMBERS.
ALRIGHT SO THIS THIS BILL
PROVIDES SOME MORE TRANSPARENCY
TO THE PRICING PROCESS
ASSOCIATED WITH WELL REFINING.
AH, I THINK THE ONE CONCERN
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM FOLKS
FROM OIL WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION
IS THIS COULD POSSIBLY PUT
CONSUMERS AT RISK. BUT YOU KNOW
, WE DON'T WE CERTAINLY DON'T
DISMISS THOSE CLAIMS HAPHAZARDLY
, BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE A
COUPLE OF THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO
CONSIDER THE PRICING INFORMATION
THAT'S IN THE BILL AS DATA THE
OIL COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY
SHARED IN THE PAST WITHIN THE
STATE. IT'S DATED THEY'RE
PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES.
ALREADY DISCLOSED THE
SHAREHOLDERS. IT STATED THAT IN
VARIOUS FORMATS, OIL COMPANIES
ALREADY PUBLICLY DISCLOSED IN A
NUMBER OF OTHER AMERICAN STATES.
IN FACT, WHEN WE INTRODUCED THE
BILL, UH SOME FOLKS FROM THE
OPPONENTS ACTUALLY URGED MY
STAFF AND ME TO REACH OUT TO THE
ENERGY COMMISSION IN THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD LEARN
WHY THIS BILL IS UNNECESSARY OR
SOMEHOW KIND OF PROUCTIVE. WE
DID THAT OUTREACH WE ACTUALLY
DID NOT ENCOUNTER REGULATORY
RESISTANCE. IN FACT, THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL THEN DECIDED TO
ENDORSE THE BILL. SAYING THAT IT
MIGHT YOU KNOW IT WILL MAY HELP
SHED LIGHT ON WHETHER ANY MARKET
PLAYERS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
CURRENT EVENTS TO PAD THEIR
PROFITS AT THE EXPENSE OF
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS. SO NOW 111
THING IS THAT OUR OUR FRIENDS IN
THE OIL INDUSTRY WILL WILL POINT
OUT THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS
THAT GO INTO THE PRICE
INCREASES. AND CERTAINLY THIS
BILL HAS GIVEN ME A LOT OF
INSIGHT INTO HOW COMPLEX THIS
IS, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT
OF OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TRANSPARENCY,
INCLUDING AT INDIVIDUAL GAS
STATIONS THAT SOMETIMES IN SOME
AREAS, REALLY JACK UP THE PRICES
AS WELL, BUT IN THE END OF THE
DAY. THIS IS THIS. THIS PROVIDES
TRANSPARENCY AS TO ONE
PARTICULAR PART OF THE STORY
JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE
SUNLIGHT ON AN INDUSTRY THAT WE
KNOW IS ALREADY MAKING RECORD
PROFITS JUST TO PROVIDE US WITH
SOME MORE INFORMATION. I
UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW THE
ASSEMBLY. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS
BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT GAS
PRICES. AND WHILE WE DO YOU KNOW
A LOT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT
RELATED PART F THE GAS PRICE
STORY WITH REGARDS TO GAS TAX,
AND YOU KNOW THE LOCAL CARBON
FUEL STANDARD THAT'S VERY
TRANSPARENT, VERY WELL KNOWN.
THERE'S A WHOLE MYSTERY
SURCHARGE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA THAT EVERYBODY AGREES
WITH. EXISTS THERE'S JUST
DISAGREEMENT AS TO EXACTLY WHY
AND THIS WILL HELP US GET A
LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM
OF THAT QUESTION. ANYWAY. WITH
HIM WITH ME IN PERSON. WE HAVE
DAN JACOBSON WITH ENVIRONMENT
CALIFORNIA BEFORE WE MOVE
FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO REMIND
WITNESSES THAT YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. EACH, SO PLEASE GO
AHEAD. KEEP WITHIN MY TWO
MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME IS DAN
JACOBSON ON THE LEGISLATOR.
SENIOR ADVISOR FOR ENVIRONMENT,
CALIFORNIA ALSO TESTIFYING ON
BEHALF OF CALPERS, THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC INTEREST
RESEARCH GROUP. WE'RE PROUD TO
SUPPORT SB 13 22, AND WE WANT TO
THANK SENATOR ALLEN FOR
INTRODUCING THIS IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION. WE ARE STRIVING FOR
A TIME WHEN GAS PRICES WON'T
REALLY MATTER TO CALIFORNIANS
BECAUSE WE'LL ALL BE DRIVING
EITHER E V S OR HYDROGEN FUEL
CARS. AND THAT'S THE TIME THAT
WE WANT TO GET, TOO. BUT IN THE
MEANTIME, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
AND UNTIL WE GET THERE, WE HAVE
TO BE REALLY CAREFUL TO MAKE
SURE THAT, UM WE'RE NOT BEING
TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AT THE PUMP.
AND THIS BILL SEEKS TO CLEAR
THAT UP. WE THINK IT'S
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT IT
MOVED FORWARD WHEN WE URGE AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK
YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. SEE NONE. I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT THAT JAMIE COURT
FROM CONSUMER WATCHDOG WAS GOING
TO BE HEARING HIS FLIGHT WAS
CANCELED FROM LOS ANGELES. SO
OKAY, THANKS TO SOUTHWEST. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION.
JUST TO REMIND HER TWO MINUTES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. ZACH LEERY ON BEHALF OF
THE WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO SB 13 22. WE POSED
THE BILL FOR FOUR MAIN REASONS.
ONE THE CC ALREADY COLLECTS
EXTENSIVE DATA FROM THE INDUSTRY
UNDER PYRO, WHICH IS THE
PETROLEUM INDUSTRY INFORMATION
REPORTING ACT, UH, AND TO
PROTECT THE CONFIDENTIALITY AND
THE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS OF
THAT INFORMATION, SO IT'S SENT
BUSINESS SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
THAT THIS BILL IS REQUIRED TO BE
SHARED WITH THE C E. C THE
SECOND ISSUE ON THE RAISES THAT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ALREADY HAS
THE FULL AUTHORITY TO
INVESTIGATE AND OVERSEE
ANTICOMPETITIVE ACTIONS BY THE
INDUSTRY AND TO PROTECT
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS. THIS BILL
ASSUMES THAT THAT AUTHORITY
DOESN'T EXIST. IT IGNORES THE
FACT THAT THE OIL AND GAS MARKET
IS CONTINUOUSLY MONITORED IN
CALIFORNIA, NOT ONLY BY THE C E
C BUT ALSO BY THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL. AND AS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL POINTED OUT IN HIS
LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL,
HE HAS ALREADY INVESTIGATED THE
INDUSTRY. AND THEN THE FOURTH
ISSUE I WANT TO RAISE. THIS IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE SENATOR
MENTIONED SUNLIGHT. SUNLIGHT HAS
ALREADY BEEN SHED ON THIS ISSUE
OF REFINER MARGIN DATA. IN 2019
. THE C E C WAS REQUESTED BY
GOVERNOR NEWSOM TO LOOK INTO THE
POTENTIAL CAUSES FOR DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN NATIONAL GAS PRICES IN
CALIFORNIA GASOLINE PRICES. AND
THE C C ACTUALLY MADE VERY CLEAR
FINDINGS AS IT PERTAINS TO
REFINER MARGINS, AND I'LL QUOTE
WITH LITTLE TO NO GROWTH IN THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UNITED
STATES AND CALIFORNIA REFINER
MARGINS, THE C E C CONCLUDES
REFINER MARGINS ARE NOT THE
CAUSE OF RESIDUAL PRICE
INCREASES IN CALIFORNIA. SP 32
OR SP 13 22 IS SEEKING A
QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED AND
ANSWERED ALREADY BY THE SISI AND
FOR THOSE REASONS WE MUST OPPOSE
AND ASK FOR YOUR NO VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. LET'S SEE NONE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR
ALLEN FOR BRINGING THIS
IMPORTANT BILL. I THINK IT'S A
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
BILL THAT REALLY GOES TO THE
HEART OF WHAT'S AT THE TOP OF
ALL OF OUR VOTERS. MINDS GAS
PRICES HERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW,
WE CONSTANTLY HEAR THAT. THAT
IT'S CALIFORNIA'S FAULT FOR
HAVING THE NATION'S HIGHEST GAS
PRICES. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OUR
TAXES ARE BECAUSE OF OUR OUR
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. BUT
IT SEEMS LIKE I'M REVIEWING A AN
ARTICLE AH. PUT UP BY CONSUMER
WATCHDOG THAT HAS DATA AND I'D
LIKE TO ASK A WHISPER. TO
RESPOND. WHETHER THESE DATA IS
ACCURATE OR NOT, UM. ACCORDING
TO THE CONSUMER WATCHDOG FOR THE
FIRST QUARTER OF 2022. ONE OF
THE REFINERIES AND MY DISTRICT
AND SENATOR ALLEN'S SOON TO BE A
DISTRICT PBF. REFINERY IN THE
CITY OF TORRANCE. THEY REPORTED.
MAKING ABOUT 78 CENTS PER GALLON
ON THE GASOLINE IS SOLD. AND THE
FIRST QUARTER OF 2022 HAS AS
COMPARED TO THE FIRST QUARTER IN
2021 37 CENTS, SO. OVER DOUBLE
YES. CHECKING MY MATH THERE OVER
DOUBLE UH, AND PER BARREL. PER
GALLON PROFITS. UM. SO TO
WHISPER NUMBER ONE. DO THOSE
NUMBERS SOUND ACCURATE TO YOU
AND, UM, NUMBER TWO. IT LOOKS
LIKE PBF. REFINERY DOES RELEASE
ITS WESTERN REGIONAL NUMBERS. AH
PUBLICLY IN TERMS OF THEIR
PROFITS PER GALLON AND PROFITS
PER BARREL. IF PBF CAN DO IT,
WHY CAN'T EVERYONE ELSE AH! TO
YOUR FIRST QUESTION.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S UH AND AS YOU,
YOU KNOW, WE I'M A TRADE WORK
FOR A TRADE ASSOCIATION AND WE
OPERATE UNDER ANTICOMPETITIVE
WAS SO WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE
PRICING OR BUSINESS PRICING OF
INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES, SO I'M NOT
FAMILIAR WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL
COMPANY'S BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S MY ANSWER TO YOUR
FIRST QUESTION. AND YOUR SECOND
QUESTION WAS REPEATED IT AGAIN,
PLEASE. MY SECOND QUESTION IS
THAT GIVEN THAT PBF APPARENTLY
DOES DISCLOSE, PUBLICLY
DISCLOSED, CLOSED THEIR THEIR
PROFITS ON A PER GALLON AND PER
BARREL BASIS, IF PBF. YOU KNOW I
CAN DO IT. WHY CAN'T ALL OTHER
REFINERIES IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR AN
INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES DECISION
TO RELEASE DATA. ALL I'M SAYING
IS, THIS BILL IS REQUESTING
INFORMATION THAT HAS ALREADY
BEEN ANALYZED. BY THE C E C AND
SAID TO NOT BE THAN ISSUE FOR
RESIDUAL PRICE INCREASES IN
CALIFORNIA SO I CAN'T ANSWER TO
WHY INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES RELEASE
THAT DATA, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE PBF IS RAISING THESE
CONCERNS ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY
OR. YOU KNOW, DISCLOSING
BUSINESS ADVANTAGES. HAVE YOU
EVER HEARD OF PBF, RAISING SUCH
CONCERNS AS THEY APPARENTLY
DISCLOSED THIS TYPE OF DATA.
WELL, THEY ARE A MEMBER COMPANY
OF WHISPER. UM AND AS AN
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION WE HAVE
TAKEN IN OPPOSED POSITION. TO
THIS DATA BEING PUBLICLY
RELEASED. I BELIEVE THE SENATOR
ACCEPTED AN AMENDMENT IN THE
SENATE ENERGY COMMITTEE, WHICH
ACTUALLY PUT THIS DATA BACK
UNDER PIRA. BECAUSE OF THE
BUSINESS SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS
BILL BE LOCKED TIGHT BECAUSE
THAT INFORMATION CAN BE USED. AS
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL COMPETITORS
, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS
WATCHING THE CALIFORNIA MARKET.
IN THE INTERN IN GENERAL
ACTUALLY HAS ONGOING LITIGATION
AGAINST OUTSIDE FUEL MARKET
TRADERS WHO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE
THIS TYPE OF SPECIFIC DATA. UH
IN THEIR HANDS. SENATOR COULD
YOU EXPAND ON THAT? WE JUST SAY
FIRST OF ALL, YEAH, SO THAT THE
AMENDMENT WE TOOK IN ENERGY DID
DID RESPOND TO NUMBER THE
CONCERNS WERE BEING RAISED
BASICALLY. MAKES THE DATA
AGGREGATED SO YOU CAN PINPOINT.
THE PROFITS PER PER PER PER
PARTICULAR PLACE. BUT YOU YOU
HAVE. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
REMEMBER A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE
BEEN IT'S BEEN COMMON PRACTICE
TO SHARE THIS DATA FOR A LONG,
LONG TIME. IT'S NOT JUST
CONSUMER WATCHDOG. IT'S ACTUALLY
RIGHT HERE IN YOUR ANALYSIS ON
PAGE FOUR, THAT'S BEEN FACT
CHECKED. AND TALKS ABOUT THE
PROFITS THAT THEY'VE BEEN MAKING
IT THIS PARTICULAR REFINERY, SO
YOU KNOW I THE END OF THE DAY.
UM ALRIGHT, THIS IS DATA THAT IS
THAT IS REGULARLY RELEASED NOT
BY EVERYBODY, BUT BY A LOT OF
PLAYERS, AND IT HASN'T CAUSED
THE KINDS OF PROBLEMS THAT HAVE
BEEN THAT WE'VE BEEN WARNED OF
BY THE BY THE OPPONENTS. AND, AS
WAS, AS WAS MENTIONED. THE BILL
HAS BEEN MADE EVEN UM IT'S GONNA
BE MUCH HARDER. YOU WON'T BE
ABLE TO PINPOINT BECAUSE OF THE
AGGREGATED. UH THE AGGREGATION
AMENDMENT THAT WE TOOK IN AN
ENERGY COMMITTEE. I THINK. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEE NONE. I
KNOW AS YOU MENTIONED, SENATOR
THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN OF INTEREST
TO MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
ASSEMBLY OR ASSEMBLY DEMOCRATIC
CAUCUS, I SHOULD SAY AND, UH,
REPUBLICAN CAUCUS T MAYBE THEY
DO. I WON'T SPEAK FOR THEM. FROM
WHAT? I'VE HEARD. I'VE BEEN IN
THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THIS IS
ONE ASPECT OF GETTING TO KNOW
WHY ARE GAS PRICES SO HIGH IN
CALIFORNIA? WHICH A LOT OF OUR
CONSTITUENTS WE ALL GET CALLS
AND EMAILS ASKING US THAT EVERY
DAY, AND SO THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS MEASURE FORWARD,
AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT TODAY.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? I APPRECIATE I
APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND I
WANT TO. I WANT TO SAY I DO
APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS
I HAVE HAD THE OPPOSITION. I'VE
LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ABOUT OIL
PRICING THAT I NEVER KNOW
BEFORE, AND IT'S TRUE THAT THIS
BILL ONLY SHINES LIGHT ON ONE
ASPECT OF THIS CHALLENGE. I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY PUSH BACK ON
THE IDEA THAT THE CCS THIS IS
CUT SHUT AND CLOSED CASE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION FOR THE C E.
C FOUND OTHER AREAS WHERE
THERE'S POTENTIAL PRICE GOUGING
AT THE AT THE AT THE GAS STATION
LEVEL. MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT
BILL. WE CAN ALL WORK ON
TOGETHER, BUT THIS IS A PART OF
THE STORY, TOO. THIS SHINES
LIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT
OF THE OF THE OF THE OF THE
PIPELINE. NO PUN INTENDED. IT'S
GOING TO HELP CONSUMERS AND
REGULATORS HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS
CONTRIBUTING TO THE HIGH COST OF
GAS HERE IN CALIFORNIA BEYOND
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW, AND IT'S
IN THAT SPIRIT THAT I ASKED YOU
TO VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GARCIA'S SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS
FLORA FLORIDO BENNETT. FRIEDMAN.
GARCIA. MATHIS. PAST THIS NO
MCCARTY. MCCARTHY. I'M
MURATSUCHI. IT'S ITCHY. I SARTO
STONE. STONE. I WOULD THANK YOU
MEMBERS. THANK. THAT BILL HAS
FOUR VOTES ON CALL. UP NEXT AND
FILE ORDER ITEM. FOUR SB 11 58.
BY SENATOR BECKER. HE'S GOT.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
WE'RE EXPECTED TO DOUBLE OR
PROBABLY TRIPLE OUR ELECTRICITY
USE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DECADES AS WE ELECTRIFIED
TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDINGS,
BUT WE WON'T GET THE BENEFITS
FROM ELECTRIFYING TRANSIT
TRANSPORTATION OF BUILDINGS. IF
OUR GRID IS NOT CLEAN. AND RIGHT
NOW IT'S ONLY ABOUT 50% CLEAN IF
YOU TAKE OUT JAVA CANYON, AND WE
NEED TO INCREASE THAT THE GOOD
NEWS IS WE SET GREENHOUSE GAS
TARGETS FOR EACH. SUPPLIER OF
ELECTRICITY, EVERY LOAD SERVING
ENTITY. THE BAD NEWS IS WE HAVE
NOTHING IN PLACE TO MEASURE. HOW
WELL THEY'RE DOING AGAINST THOSE
TARGETS. THIS BILL 11 58 FIXES
THAT. HISTORICALLY WE'VE MOSTLY
LOOKED AT HOW MUCH CLEAN ENERGY
UTILITY PURCHASED OVER AN ENTIRE
YEAR COMPARED TO THEIR LOAD
DURING THE YEAR. BUT AS WE GET
TO HIGHER AND HIGHER PERCENTAGE
OF CLEAN ENERGY, THIS NO LONGER
MAKES SENSE. THE GRID HAS TO
BALANCE SUPPLY AND LOAD MINUTE
TO MINUTE NOT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS
. WE WON'T REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS
IF WE HAVE MORE CLEAN
ELECTRICITY THAN WE NEED IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE DAY, BUT CONTINUE
TO RELY HEAVILY ON FOSSIL FUEL
POWER PLANTS DURING THE EVENING
PEAK AND OVERNIGHT TO ADDRESS
THIS. WE FIRST NEED TO
UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF ENERGY IS
COMING FROM CLEAN SOURCES WHEN
COMPARED TO ELECTRICITY DEMAND
ON A TIME MATCHED BASIS. HOUR TO
HOUR. WE'LL HEAR HOW PENINSULA
CLEAN ENERGY IN A MOMENT. HAS.
THIS IS A STRAIGHT POLICY.
THEY'RE BORED BY 2025. THE PUC
ALSO WISELY CHOSE TO USE HOURLY
ANALYSIS FOR ELECTRICITY SOURCES
AND THEIR ASSOCIATE G EMISSIONS
IN THE RFP PROCESS. THAT IS HOW
ELECTRICITY SUPPLIERS RRP PLANS
WERE MEASURED. BUT THESE ARE
JUST FORECASTS. WE NEED TO KNOW
WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. UM
LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE UNCERTAINTY
THAT SOME STAKEHOLDERS HAVE
RAISED ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT
MIGHT BE TO PUT IN PLACE THESE
NEW REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS. FOR MONTHS, TRYING
TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND
MAKING CHANGES WHERE REASONABLE
TO IMPROVE. THIS PARTICULAR BILL
HAS A SECTION UH, REQUIREMENT
GENERATORS TO PROVIDE THE HOURLY
DATA THAT SUPPLIERS WILL NEED TO
COMPLY. IT ALSO ALLOWS THE CC TO
REVISE RULES FOR VERY SMALL
SUPPLIERS OR EVEN JUST EXEMPT
THEM IF THE REPORTING BURDENS
WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGH
FOR THEM. IN SUMMARY, WE HAVE TO
CHEAT EMISSIONS TARGETS FOR ALL
THE UTILITIES TODAY, BUT WE HAVE
NO WAY TO MEASURE HOW WE'RE
DOING AGAINST THOSE TARGETS. WE
SHOULD FIX THIS IN THIS BILL
WOULD DO THAT. UM AND WITHOUT
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR I VOTE AND
TURN OVER TO MY WITNESSES.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. I'M MARK HERSCHMAN,
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
THAT PENINSULA CLEAN ENERGY, AND
WE'RE PROUD TO SUPPORT HAS TO BE
1158 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ALLOWING ME TO PROVIDE THESE
COMMENTS TODAY. PENINSULA CLEAN
ENERGY IS A NOT FOR PROFIT
COMMUNITY ENERGY AGENCY SERVING
SAN MATEO COUNTY AND THE CITY OF
LOS BANOS IN MERCED COUNTY. WE
DELIVER ELECTRICITY TO OUR
RATEPAYERS THAT IS 50% RENEWABLE
AND 100% CLEAN AT RATES THAT ARE
5% BELOW P GENIES GENERATION
RATE. IN 2017. WE SET A GOAL FOR
OURSELVES TO DELIVER 100%
RENEWABLE ENERGY ON A 24 7 BASIS
BY THE YEAR 2025. WE SET THIS
GOAL, IN PART BECAUSE OF OUR
FOUNDATIONAL VALUE TO PUSH THE
BOUNDARIES AND CLEAN ENERGY
PROCUREMENT AND DEPLOYMENT TO
SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS. WE DUG INTO THE
DIFFERENCES AND EMISSIONS
ASSOCIATED WITH OUR GENERATION
RESOURCES. WHEN CALCULATED ON AN
HOURLY BASIS VERSUS ON AN ANNUAL
BASIS. WE DETERMINE THAT WE
NEEDED TO REDUCE THE DEMAND
SIGNAL FOR FOSSIL BASED ENERGY
FROM THE CALIFORNIA ELECTRICITY
GRID. IN THOSE HOURS WHEN OUR
CLEAN ENERGY CONTRACTS DID NOT
MATCH THE TIMING OF OUR
CUSTOMERS ENERGY DEMAND THIS LED
US TO RETHINK AND DIVERSIFY OUR
POWER PORTFOLIO. WE FOCUSED ON
PROCUREMENT OF A DIVERSE
PORTFOLIO OF RENEWABLE
RESOURCES, INCLUDING SOLAR WIND
, GEOTHERMAL AND SMALL SCALE
HYDRO AS WELL AS ENERGY STORAGE
THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US AT
DIFFERENT HOURS OF THE DAY AND
NIGHT. AS A RESULT OF OUR
EFFORTS, WE HAVE MADE MEASURABLE
ADVANCEMENTS TOWARDS OUR GOAL OF
ACHIEVING 24 7 RENEWABLE ENERGY.
WE INVITE YOU TO READ OUR WHITE
PAPER POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE, A
PENINSULA. CLEAN ENERGY DOT COM
THAT PROVIDES FURTHER
INFORMATION ABOUT OUR EFFORTS TO
DELIVER 24 7 RENEWABLE ENERGY BY
THE YEAR 2025. WE BELIEVE SB
1158 CAN HELP LEAD THE WAY FOR
OTHER ELECTRICITY SUPPLIERS TO
FOLLOW. THE BILL WILL HELP
GENERATE THE INFORMATION NEEDED
TO MONITOR PROGRESS AND MATCHING
GENERATION WITH LOAD ON AN
HOURLY BASIS, WHICH IN TURN WILL
LEAD TO GREATER GHG EMISSION
REDUCTION. SB 1158 IS AN
IMPORTANT PART OF THE SOLUTION
THAT WILL ENABLE CALIFORNIA TO
ACHIEVE A TRULY CLEAN, CLEAN
GRID AND REACH OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. THANK YOU. QUÊ JERRY
RIVERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JOSEPH
DESMOND, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AND DEMAND MANAGEMENT COUNCIL.
TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF SENATE
BILL 1158. THE COUNCIL IS A NON
UTILITY TRADE ASSOCIATION
REPRESENTING MORE THAN 70
COMPANIES THAT DESIGN IMPLEMENT
MAINTAIN IN EVALUATE ENERGY
EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND RESPONSE.
AND EMPLOY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
WHO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY. RECENT
ESTIMATES PUT THAT NUMBER MORE
THAN 300,000 CALIFORNIANS
EMPLOYED IN THE INDUSTRY. WE
REPRESENT. SENATE BILL 1158 WILL
REQUIRE LOAD SERVING ENTITIES TO
PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF SOURCES
OF ELECTRICITY FOR EACH HOUR, AS
WELL AS THE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
SOURCES OF ELECTRICITY. THE BILL
WOULD ALSO REQUIRE REVIEW OF THE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENERGY AND
AN ASSESSMENT BY EACH LOAD
SERVING ENTITY WITH REGARD TO
WHETHER ADEQUATE PROGRESS IS
BEING MADE. TOWARDS GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS TARGETS. WE THINK
BOTH OF THESE MEASURES WILL BE
BENEFICIAL AND STEERING THESE
LOADS SERVING ENTITIES TO PURSUE
ALL FORMS OF CLEAN ENERGY,
INCLUDING DEMAND SIDE RESOURCES
. HAVING MORE ACCURATE
INFORMATION WILL SHED LIGHT ON
OUR ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS 24 7
100% GREEN 100% CLEAN ENERGY
GRID. AS WAS CONTEMPLATED BY
SENATE BILL 100. WE APPLAUD
SENATOR BECKER AND CO AUTHOR
SENATOR LAIRD AND LEMON AS WELL
AS THEIR STAFF FOR THEIR FOCUS
ON ACTUALIZING THE STATE'S
LAUDABLE GOAL. FOR THESE
REASONS, THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS SB
1158 AND ENCOURAGES YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF THE BILL, AND I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY THANK YOU. NEXT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
NAME IS DAN JACOBSON. WITH
ENVIRONMENT, CALIFORNIA STRONG
SUPPORT. MEMBER SEO WITH TRENTON
PRICE CONSULTING ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE, ALLIANCE AND SUPPORT.
HELLO KILO ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF
NRDC ACTION FUND IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. VINCE, WHERE IT
MODULE WITH THE CLIMATE CENTER
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. SCOTT
WISH ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
AND THE STATE ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS AND SUPPORT.
DANIEL GUTIERREZ ON BEHALF OF
TURN THE UTILITY REFORM NETWORK
IN SUPPORT. RUTH MCDONALD,
REPRESENTING 3, 50, SILICON
VALLEY AND 3 50 HUMBOLDT IN
SUPPORT. NEXT DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
MADAM CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
PATRICK WELSH, CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. OUR
MEMBERS DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE
SENATOR THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE
IN TERMS OF MATCHING LOAD AND
GENERATION AT SPECIFIC HOURS OF
THE DAY. OUR MEMBERS DO DISAGREE
THAT THIS CURRENT PROGRAM, AS
CURRENTLY DESIGNED WOULD HELP
THEM SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. WE ARE
DISCUSSING ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS
WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE HOPE
THAT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS OVER
THE SUMMER TO AGREE ON A PACKAGE
OF AMENDMENTS. IN PARTICULAR,
MOST OF OUR MEMBERS ALREADY HAVE
TO COMPLY WITH THREE GREENHOUSE
GAS REPORTING PROGRAMS BY THE
STATE. THIS WOULD BE 1/4 AND SO,
AS NOTED BY THE ANALYSIS. THIS
WOULD BE A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE
BURDEN ON OUR MEMBERS. IN
ADDITION FOR SMALLER UTILITIES,
IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY COMPLEX
HOURLY REPORTING. ONE OF OUR
MEMBERS UTILITIES SUGGESTED THAT
THIS RESULT IN THEM HAVING TO
PROVIDE 220,000 LINES OF EXCEL
DATA TO THE STATE EVERY SINGLE
YEAR IN A FORMAT PRESCRIBED. BY
THE CDC. WE WOULD NOTE THAT THE
THRESHOLD IN THE BILL FOR THE
CCTA MODIFIER ADJUST FOR SMALLER
UTILITIES COULD BE CLARIFIED. WE
THINK A MORE CLEAR STANDARD
WOULD BE TO TIE THE BILL TO THE
INTEGRATED RESOURCE PLANNING
PROCESS WHEREBY UTILITIES, THE
16TH LARGEST MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS BILL,
BUT THERE WOULD BE A CLEARER
THRESHOLD WHERE IT COULD BE
MODIFIED FOR THE SMALLER
UTILITIES UNDER 700 GIGAWATT
HOURS, WHICH IS THE STANDARD IN
THE RP PROCESS, SO IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TODAY ALSO WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE CONTINUE TO
HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH AUTHOR
AND HIS STAFF. AND HAVING TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. MADAM SHARING
MEMBERS. GREGG COOK REPRESENT
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA POWER
REGENCY. WE CONTINUE TO BE AN
OPPOSITION TO BILL IN ITS
PRESENT FORM. I DID NOT SUBMIT A
LETTER TO THE COMMITTEE
ANTICIPATING WE WERE GOING TO BE
A RESOLVE THE CONCERNS THAT WE
HAVE. WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE
TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR TO
RESERVE THE RESOLVE THOSE
CONCERNS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAME SHERRY FORGOT TO REGISTER
THE OPPOSITION OF THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC POWER
AUTHORITY AS WELL. THANK YOU.
EXT. NEXT WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. SEE NONE. DO I HAVE?
OKAY I DON'T HAVE EMOTION YET.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
I SHOULD JUST QUICKLY NOTE. IT'S
PART. IT'S PART OF THE CLIMATE
WORKING GROUP PACKAGE, AND WE
THINK IT WAS A HELP THAT PUC AND
CC OVERSEE THE PROGRESS. OF THIS
SECTOR TOWARDS THE SP 100
TARGETS RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. THANK YOU, SENATOR BECKER
. WE HAVE EMOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI,
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MCCARTY SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
TWO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS.
I'VE FLORA FLORA NO BENNETT.
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS METHODS. NO, MCCARTY
BACARDI. I MURATSUCHI REFUGEE. I
SEYARTO STONE. STONE. I WOULD.
THAT BILL HAS FIVE VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT ON CALL. NEXT ITEM
FIVE. SP 717 BY SENATOR DODD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS.
SENATOR FEEL. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS. LET ME BEGIN BY
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS ON
PAGES FIVE AND SIX. I APPRECIATE
THE CONSULTANT WORKING WITH MY
STAFF ON THIS BILL. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SB 717 WOULD EXAMINE
THE BARRIERS TO BROADBAND ACCESS
POINTS AND PROVIDE
RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO
ACCELERATE THE DEPLOYMENT,
DEPLOYMENT OF WIRE LINE MOBILE
AND FIXED WIRELESS.
INFRASTRUCTURE TO INCREASE
CONNECTIVITY FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS. UNDER 717. THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
TECHNOLOGY WOULD LOOK INTO
ROADBLOCKS THAT BROADBAND ACCESS
POINTS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
ON HOW TO SPEED UP DEPLOYMENT OF
WIRE LINE MOBILE FIXED WIRELESS.
INFRASTRUCTURE TO GIVE ALL
CALIFORNIANS BETTER ACCESS TO
THE INTERNET. WE ALL KNOW THAT
DISTANCE LEARNING TELEMEDICINE,
PUBLIC SAFETY, REMOTE BUSINESS
AND ACCESSING GOVERNMENT
SERVICES ARE BECOMING MORE
RELIANT ON BROADBAND IN
CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA TWO ARE
UNABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE
DIGITAL ERA. ARE SIMPLY AT A
DISTANCE. VANTAGE DOMAIN FOR NEW
TECHNOLOGIES, COVERAGE AND
CAPACITY WILL INEVITABLY RISE TO
MEET THAT DEMAND IS ESSENTIAL
THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT
OBSTACLES THERE ARE TWO
INVESTMENT AND DEPLOYMENT OF THE
INTERNET. SB 1717 WILL PROVIDE
THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO
CELEBRATE THIS ACCESS AND HELP
US EXPAND. USE FOR ALL
CALIFORNIA'S WITH ME TODAY ARE
SCOTT WHICH IS SCOTT WILL EXCUSE
ME REPRESENTING VERIZON, KIKI
LIZARRAGA. UH, FROM TELE QUÊ.
MADAM CHAIR. REMEMBER SCOTT
WITCH ON BEHALF OF VERIZON. UM,
THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE BILL. AH,
OFTENTIMES. ISSUES THAT ARE
COMPLEX WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
MOVING PARTS. THE LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS ISN'T REALLY CONDUCIVE.
IT'S CONDENSED TO REALLY BRING
ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER
AND HAVE THIS SORT OF ROBUST
DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE. UM SO
WE MODELED THIS BILL WORKING
WITH THE SENATOR'S OFFICE. UPON
LEGISLATION THAT PASSES A SEVEN
MEMBER MCCARTHY WAS INSTRUMENTAL
IN ON ROOFTOP SOLAR THAT BROUGHT
TOGETHER LABOR CONTRACTORS,
MANUFACTURERS, SOLAR COMPANIES,
CONSUMERS. UTILITIES TO GET
TOGETHER AND WORK ON OBSTACLES
TO THE TIMELY, UM. PLACEMENT OF
ROOFTOP SOLAR IS VERY SUCCESSFUL
. WE'RE HOPING TO DUPLICATE THAT
HERE, GET EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM
AND WORK IS, THE SENATOR SAID.
ON IDENTIFYING SORT OF ALL THE
OBSTACLES IN GETTING WELL FIXED
, UH, WIRE LINE BROADBAND AND
WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE CITED.
PERMITTED AND BUILT SO WE CAN
GET, UH, INTERNET SERVICE TO ALL
CALIFORNIANS. SO WITH THAT WE
WOULD URGE AND I VOTE. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU,
CHAIRWOMAN RIVAS AND MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS KIKI LAZAR AGHA. I'M THE
VICE PRESIDENT OF TELE C
TELESCOPE IS THE NATION'S
LARGEST AND OLDEST COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION SERVING
CALIFORNIA'S LOW INCOME
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES FOR
NEARLY 55 YEARS. OUR
ORGANIZATIONS STRONGLY SUPPORTS
SB 717 BECAUSE CALIFORNIANS FROM
THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE VERY
OFTEN LACK ADEQUATE BROADBAND
ACCESS. THIS REALITY PLACES THEM
AT AN INHERENT DISADVANTAGE,
DEEPENING DISPARITIES AND
EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT AND EMPLOYMENT
OPPORTUNITIES. MORE THAN A
QUARTER OF LOW INCOME AMERICAN
HOUSEHOLDS RELY SOLELY ON
WIRELESS BROADBAND ACCESS TO THE
USE OF A SMARTPHONE. SP 717
WOULD IDENTIFY AND EXAMINE THE
BARRIERS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS
TO INCREASED BROADBAND ACCESS.
IT WOULD PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED
RECOMMENDATIONS AND REFORMS TO
REMOVE THESE ROADBLOCKS AND
ACCELERATE BROADBAND DEPLOYMENT
MOST URGENTLY IN CALIFORNIA'S
NEEDIEST COMMUNITIES. TELECOM
RESPECTFULLY URGES YOUR I VOTE
ON SB 717. THANK YOU NEXT,
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
COURTNEY JOHNSON WITH FERNANDEZ
VERMONTERS GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
THE FOLLOWING ENTITIES HAVE
ASKED ME WHO WERE UNABLE TO BE
HERE TODAY HAVE ASKED ME TO
REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT. CROWN
CASTLE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY CIVIC
ALLIANCE, PASADENA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. SAN DIEGO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. BIKER LH CHAMBER BIZ
BED IS BED'S INSTITUTE, CENTRAL
CITY, CALIFORNIA HISPANIC
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. CALIFORNIA
RETAILERS ASSOCIATION AND THE A
AREA COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALICIA
PRIEGO ON BEHALF OF THE KELLYS
AND CHAMBER AND SUPPORT. DENNIS
LOOPER ON BEHALF OF T MOBILE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
JONATHAN AARON BELL ON BEHALF OF
SETIA, THE TRADE ASSOCIATION FOR
THE WIRELESS INDUSTRY AND ALSO
REGISTERING SUPPORT FOR THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THANK YOU NEXT. DO WE HAVE
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? GOOD
AFTERNOON. I'M BILL AH, LEO WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP ALSO
REPRESENTING CALIFORNIANS FOR
SAFE TECHNOLOGY, AND WE ARE
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED ITS A
STUDY BILL. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO
DOING THE STUDY BY ANY MEANS,
BUT WE'VE ASKED AND BEEN ASKING
THE AUTHOR AND THROUGH THE
COMMITTEE FOR SOME SIMPLE
AMENDMENTS THAT WE THINK SHOULD
BE PUT INTO THE BILL. ONE IS
THAT ADDITIONAL STATE AGENCIES
SHOULD BE CONSULTED. JUST BE
STAKEHOLDERS. WE HA, THE
OPPOSITE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH
HAZARD ASSESSMENT. AND CALLIE P.
A THEY LOOK AT THINGS LIKE
CLIMATE CHANGE AND ENERGIES.
SECONDLY THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
TECHNOLOGY CONSULT WITH OUTSIDE
EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF TELECOM
SAFETY RADIATION, THOSE KIND OF
THINGS, THERE'S A GROWING
EVIDENCE THAT THERE COULD BE
SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE EFFECTS
OF WIRELESS AND OTHER THESE.
THESE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES ON
HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
THIRD IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT
HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO
HIM. HOLD PUBLIC ARRANGE, JUST
SAY WE'RE ACCEPTING PUBLIC
COMMENTS TO INCLUDE IN OUR
REPORT. AND LASTLY, THAT THE
REPORT BE DISTRIBUTED TO SOME
ADDITIONAL COMMITTEES IN THE
LEGISLATURE,NAMELY, SENATE-TV
QUÊ, THIS, UH BODIES ES TÌM
COMMITTEE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM SIMPLE AS WE THINK. AND DON'T
SEE ANY REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T
GO INTO THIS BILL AT ONE. STOP
THE STUDY FROM BEING DONE AND WE
KNOW THE BILL ISN'T CHANGING
LAWS JUST SAYING LET'S TAKE A
LOOK AT BARRIERS SO WE WANT TO
BROADEN THAT. LOOK, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AND THE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION IS SEE
NONE. UH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMITTEE. OKAY, THERE
ARE NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
GREAT WE HAVE EMOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MCCARTY.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS. REVERSE I
FLORA. BENNETT. FRIEDMAN.
GARCIA. GARCIA, I MATHIS
METHODS. I'M MCCARTY. MCCARTHY
I'M MERIT SUKI. SUKI. I SAY
ARTO. STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS SEVEN
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
MISSING MEMBERS TO ADD ON THE
NEXT ITEM. SIX SB 8 52. ALSO BY
SENATOR DOT THANK YOU, MADAM.
CHAIR MEMBERS. SB 8 52 WOULD
AUTHORIZE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
FORM COMMUNITY RESILIENCE
DISTRICTS TO ADDRESS CLIMATE
CHANGE AT THE LOCAL AND REGIONAL
LEVEL. FOR THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS OF STATES RESPONDING TO
CLIMATE CHANGE BY APPROPRIATING
BILLIONS TO FUND A VARIETY OF
PROGRAMS THAT SEEK TO PREVENT
AND PROTECTOUR STATE FROM
CLIMATE CHANGE DANGER. STATE
PROGRAMS ADDRESS A BROAD RANGE
OF ISSUES ACROSS THE STATE
LANDSCAPE. HOWEVER THERE ARE
DIFFERENT RISKS POSED BY CLIMATE
CHANGE THAT AFFECT DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
IN SOME COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS THE
ONE I REPRESENT THE THREAT OF
WILDFIRE IS MOST IMPORTANT. IN
SOME COMMUNITIES, THE MOST
SERIOUS THREAT AT SEA LEVEL RISE
AND YET OTHER COMMUNITIES.
EXTREME HEAT EVENTS POSE THE
GREATEST THREAT. SB 8 52 WILL
PROVIDE LOCAL COMMUNITIES TOOL
TO PUT IN THEIR TOOLKIT TO HELP
COPE WITH AND PREVENT CLIMATE
RELATED DISASTERS THAT ARE MOST
CRUCIAL TO THEM. S B A 52
PERMITS CITIES AND COUNTIES
ESPECIAL DISTRICTS TO WORK
TOGETHER AS A JOINT ENDEAVOR TO
DEVELOP PLANS THAT ADDRESS THEIR
HIGHEST LOCAL CLIMATE CHANGE
PRIORITIES. THE FINANCING
MECHANISMS EMBODYING THE BILL
ALREADY EXIST IN LAW. I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT EACH ONE OF THE
REVENUE MECHANISMS SB 8 52 ARE
AVAILABLE TO CITIES AND
COUNTIES, ACTING INDIVIDUALLY
RIGHT NOW. UNDER SB 8 52. THE
SAME MECHANISMS WOULD ALSO BE
AVAILABLE TO LOCAL ENTITIES
WORKING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY
RESILIENCE DISTRICT BECAUSE SOME
CLIMATE CHANGE PROBLEMS ARE
BETTER ADDRESSED. WHEN LOCAL
COMMUNITIES WORK COLLABORATIVELY
. NOTHING IN THE BILL CHANGES
THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT
FOR VOTER APPROVAL IN PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION, WHERE VOTER
APPROVAL AND PARTICIPATION ARE
NOW REQUIRED. THIS BILL IS
SUPPORTED BY THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY. CIVIC WELL, THE
INSURANCE COMMISSIONER RICARDO
LARA, THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
TRADES COUNCIL, LOCAL GOVERNMENT
, THE CLIMATE CENTER AND MORE
HERE TO TESTIFY IN THE BILL IS
FORMER ASSEMBLY MEMBER ROGER
DICKINSON ON BEHALF OF CIVIC
WELL. AND MALLORY MICHAEL ON
BEHALF OF INSURANCE COMMISSIONER
RICARDO LARA. RESPECTFULLY.
THAT'S CRAP. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I'M ROGER DICKINSON,
THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR CIVIC
WELL, PREVIOUSLY, THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT COMMISSION IN ONE OF
THE SPONSORS OF SB 8 52. SENATOR
DODD HAS DESCRIBED THE BILL WELL
AND WE THANK HIM FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP. SB 8 52 IS DESIGNED
TO ACCOMPLISH SEVERAL
OBJECTIVES, INCLUDING THE
FOLLOWING ONE PROVIDE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AND REGIONS WITH THE
ABILITY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS TO
PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON CLIMATE
ACTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO
PROVIDE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
REGIONS THE STRUCTURAL MEANS TO
WORK. ON CLIMATE AND SUSTAINED
CERTAIN AND PREDICTABLE MANNER.
THREE PROVIDE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPTIMIZE
LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL AND
PRIVATE RESOURCES. TO MEET
CLIMATE CHALLENGES MOST
IMPORTANT TO THEIR COMMUNITY FOR
GIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
FLEXIBILITY. AND ADOPTING THE
RIGHT FINANCING APPROACH FOR
THEIR NEEDS AND COMMUNITY AND
FIVE GIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
REGIONS THE FLEXIBILITY TO PLAN
AND IMPLEMENT THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY PROJECTS IN THEIR
LOCALITY. WHILE THE STATE HAS
ENACTED PROGRAMS AND MADE
INVESTMENTS TO MEET THE
INCREASING URGENCY OF THE
CLIMATE CRISIS, AND THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN RECENT
STEPS TO ALSO DO SO FAR LESS
ATTENTION HAS BEEN PAID TO
DEVELOPING A COHESIVE AND
COORDINATED APPROACH. AT THE
LOCAL AND REGIONAL LEVEL AS THE
GOVERNOR'S CLIMATE ADAPTATION
STRATEGY EMPHASIZES PARTNERSHIPS
, COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION
IN OUR EFFORTS TO BUILD CLIMATE
RESILIENCE ARE ESSENTIAL. GIVEN
THE DIVERSITY OF THREATS
CALIFORNIA FACES LASTLY LET ME
UNDERSCORE THAT THE BILL DOES
NOT CREATE OR AUTHORIZE ANY NEW
TAXES. ALL REVENUE WHICH COULD
BE RAISED UNDER THE BILL COULD
ALREADY BE GENERATED BY LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TODAY. I URGE YOUR
VOTE ON SB 8 52 THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR RIVAS AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MALLORY
MICHAEL, DEPUTY LEDGE DIRECTOR
HERE ON BEHALF OF INSURANCE
COMMISSIONER RECORDER, LARA AND
THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE AS
THE BILL'S CO SPONSOR,
COMMISSIONER ARE LIKE TO THANK
SENATOR DODD. FOR HIS LEADERSHIP
AND AUTHORING THIS IMPORTANT
CLIMATE RESILIENCY MEASURE. IN
JULY. 2021 THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE RELEASED
THE CLIMATE INSURANCE REPORT
TITLED PROTECTING COMMUNITIES,
PRESERVING NATURE AND BUILDING
RESILIENCY, HOW FIRST OF ITS
KIND CLIMATE INSURANCE WILL HELP
COMBAT THE COSTS OF WILDFIRES,
EXTREME HEAT AND FLOODS. THE
REPORT WAS THE WORK OF THE
CLIMATE INSURANCE WORKING GROUP,
WHICH WAS COMPRISED OF
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES,
RESEARCHERS AND INSURANCE
EXPERTS THAT PRESENTED 40
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR VARIOUS
POLICIES TO REDUCE THE COSTS.
FROM WILDFIRES, EXTREME HEAT AND
FLOODING, AMONG OTHER
CHALLENGES. A STRONG MESSAGE
COMING OUT OF THE CLIMATE
INSURANCE REPORT WAS THAT IN
ORDER TO IMPROVE INSURANCE,
AVAILABILITY, RELIABILITY AND
AFFORDABILITY, CALIFORNIA NEEDS
COMMUNITY MITIGATION TO IMPROVE
DRAMATICALLY. FURTHERMORE THE
WORKING GROUP EMPHASIZED THE
IMPORTANCE OF LOCALIZED PRE
DISASTER MITIGATION THAT FOCUSES
ON WETLANDS FORCE MANAGEMENT AND
URBAN FOREST IN ORDER TO REDUCE
THE IMPACT OF FROM WILDFIRES.
SEVERE STORMS FLOODING. SEA
LEVEL RISE AND EXTREME HEAT, AND
THAT'S RECOMMENDED THE CREATION
OF SPECIAL CLIMATE RESILIENCY
DISTRICTS FOCUSED FOR THESE
CLIMATE SOLUTIONS, SB 852 AND
OVERCOME TWO BARRIERS TO
CLIMATE. ADAPTION THE NEED FOR
FINANCING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
CROSS JURISDICTIONAL
COLLABORATION. THIS IS A MAJOR
STEP TOWARDS REDUCING COMMUNITY
WIDE RISKS AND THEREBY IMPROVING
INSURANCE AVAILABILITY AND
AFFORDABILITY. BY ALLOWING FOR
THESE CLIMATE, RESILIENCE
DISTRICTS AND THEIR
CORRESPONDING MITIGATION
PROJECTS. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR I VOTE ON SB 852. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS VINCE WARREN
MODULE WITH THE CLIMATE CENTER
IN SUPPORT. MEMBER SO HOW WOULD
THREATEN PRICE CONSULTING ON
BEHALF OF CLIMATE RESOLVE AND
SUPPORT? MCMAHON AGAIN ON BEHALF
OF CALIFORNIA STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL IN
SUPPORT. JONATHAN CLAIRE, ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ENCINITAS
IN SUPPORT. JAMES CAMERON WITH
THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION
AUTHORITY AND REGIONAL CLIMATE
PROTECTION AUTHORITY IN SUPPORT.
NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. HIS C NONE. ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. I SEE NONE. I BELIEVE
I HAVE DON'T HAVE EMOTION YET.
OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU EVER WE
HAVE A MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS. I
FLORA. ARE NOT VOTING BENNETT.
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS VOTING. MCCARTY. BACARDI
EMERGED. SUKI SUKI, I SAY ARTO.
STONE. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I?
THAT BILL HAS SIX VOTES WILL
LEAVE THAT OPEN. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. IT'S
WEST. AYE. HAVE YOU PRESENTING
ITEM NINE. SO WE'LL GO AND FILE
ORDER AND THEN YOUR ITEM WILL BE
NEXT ITEM. NINE SB 10 20 BY
SENATOR LAIRD PRESENTED BY
SENATOR LEHMAN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS SP
10 20 ENACTS THE CLEAN ENERGY
JOBS AND AFFORDABILITY ACT OF
2022. IT IS A MEASURE JOINTLY
AUTHORED BY THE PRO TEMP
SENATORS, CAVALLERO, DURAZO AND
LAYERED TO GIVE GREATER
ACCOUNTABILITY TO CALIFORNIA'S
ELECTRIC SECTOR CLIMATE
COMMITMENTS. AND FOR THE FIRST
TIME TO PLACE REPAIR
AFFORDABILITY AT THE CORE OF OUR
STATE POLICY. SB 10 20 CONTAINS
SEVERAL KEY ELEMENTS TO
ACCOMPLISH THESE OBJECTIVES.
FIRST, THE BILL WILL ADD INTERIM
TARGETS TO THE POLICY FRAMEWORK
ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED AN SB 100
. IT REQUIRES RENEWABLE ENERGY
AND ZERO CARBON RESOURCES TO
SUPPLY 90% OF ALL RETAIL
ELECTRICITY SALES BY 2035 95% OF
ALL RETAIL ELECTRICITY SALES BY
2040. SECOND THE BILL WOULD
REQUIRE ALL STATE AGENCIES TO
RELY ON 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY
AND ZERO CARBON RESOURCES TO
SERVE THEIR OWN FACILITIES BY
2030. THIRD THE BILL WOULD
ESTABLISH A CLIMATE IN EQUITY
TRUST FUND TO ADDRESS RISING
ELECTRICITY RATES THAT
THREATENED THE AFFORDABILITY OF
BASIC SERVICES AND UNDERMINE THE
ECONOMICS OF BENEFICIAL BUILDING
AND TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION. FINALLY THE
BILL WOULD ENCOURAGE BETTER
INFORMATION SHARING AND
COORDINATION ON TRANSMISSION
PLANNING BY ALLOWING THE PUC AND
CC TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION
WITH THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
SYSTEMS OPERATOR. HERE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL IS DAN
JACOBSON FROM ENVIRONMENT,
CALIFORNIA AND WE'LL GO AHEAD
AND START THANK YOU SO MUCH,
SENATOR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS DAN JACOBSON WITH
ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORTED THE BILL. I WANT TO
THANK THE SENATOR. BOTH OF THEM
, UM, FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. AS THE SENATOR HAS GONE
THROUGH. THERE'S REALLY THREE
KEY PIECES TO THE BILL. THE
FIRST IS GETTING THE STATE TO
SET THE MILESTONES AFTER 2030.
WE'VE OT REALLY GOOD
LEGISLATION, IT SAYS BY 2026. WE
HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN
PERCENTAGE BY 2030. WE HAVE TO
BE AT 60. BUT THEN THERE'S THAT
GAP FROM 2030 UNTIL 2045 OF WHAT
DO WE DO? AND WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T
WANT TO WAIT UNTIL 2044 TO BE
ABLE TO CAPTURE ALL OF THAT
RENEWABLE ENERGY. SO THIS BILL
JUST CLEARLY SAYS BY 2035 WILL
BE AT 90. BY 2040 WILL BE AT 95%
AND WILL CAPTURE THAT LIFE THAT
LAST 5% IN THE IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS. THE BILL ALSO SAYS THAT
STATE AGENCIES WILL HAVE THE
RESPONSIBILITY TO GET TO 100% BY
2030. WE THINK THIS IS CRITICAL,
AND THEN FINALLY IT SETS UP A
CLIMATE TRUST OR AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BE ABLE TO PUT A CEILING OR
TO CONTROL THE RISING RATES, UM,
THAT SO MANY CONSUMERS ARE
FEELING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S AN
IMPORTANT PIECE. THERE'S A LOT
OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON
THAT. BUT WE WOULD URGE AND
REQUEST AND I VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MADAM
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS DON GILBERT ON
BEHALF OF TWO ENTITIES. SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION AND SUPPORT AS WELL
AS THE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY
CHOICE ASSOCIATION. WE'RE
LOOKING FOR ONE MINOR
CLARIFICATION, BUT REGARDLESS WE
VERY STRONGLY SUPPORT THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. ISRAEL SALAS WITH SAN
DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC IN
SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
VINCE WARREN MAJA WITH THE
CLIMATE CENTER AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, CATHERINE BRANDENBURG
, WITH THE BRANDENBURG GROUP
REPRESENTING CINEMA, CLEAN POWER
IN SUPPORT. KILLER ROBINSON ON
BEHALF OF CENTRAL COAST ENERGY
SERVICES AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
JAMIE MINOR ON BEHALF OF EMC
SERVING CUSTOMERS IN SOLANO,
NAPA, CONTRA COSTA AND MARIN
COUNTY IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
EDDIE ON OF BRIGHT LINE DEFENSE
IN SUPPORT IF AMENDED, ACTUALLY,
THE ONLY NUANCES WERE HOPING FOR
AMENDMENTS TO THE CLIMATE AND
EQUITY TRUST OR UNDERSTANDS
THEIR MEETINGS TO HAPPEN WITH
THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE. THANK YOU.
JOSEPH DESMOND, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND
DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND SUPPORT.
DANIEL GUTIERREZ ON BEHALF OF
TURN IN SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR,
JOHN WHITE CLIP OUR CAMPAIGN IN
SUPPORT. RUTH RUTH MCDONALD ON
BEHALF OF 3 50 SECONDS SILICON
VALLEY AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON SHARE RIVAS AND
MEMBERS JENNIFER FEARING ON
BEHALF OF LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR
JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
ALONG WITH OUR COLLEAGUES FROM
THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE, ALLIANCE, FOOD AND
WATER WATCH THE ANIMAL LEGAL
DEFENSE FUND, THE CENTER FOR
FOOD SAFETY, COMMUNITY WATER
CENTER AND CLEAN WATER ACTION.
WE COMMEND THE AUTHOR'S INTENT
TO MEET CALIFORNIA'S CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS. HOWEVER WE MUST
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED SB 10 20
UNLESS IT IS AMENDED TO ADDRESS
THE CONTINUED INCLUSION AND
ENTRENCHMENT OF ENERGY GENERATED
FROM POLLUTING DAIRIESAND DAIRY
DIGESTERS AS A RENEWABLE ENERGY
AND ZERO CARBON RESOURCE. AND TO
ENSURE THAT PROPOSED TRUST FUND
IS TRULY EQUITABLE. REGARDING
THE INTERIMTARGETS WE HAVE
CONSISTENTLY INDEED, INDEED,
SINCE A LATE NIGHT HEARING IN
THIS VERY ROOM IN 2016 EXPRESSED
CONCERNS WITH THE INCLUSION OF
DIGESTER GAS IS AN ELIGIBLE
RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCE
SPECIFICALLY, AND ITS
CONSIDERATION AS A CLEAN ENERGY
SOURCE GENERALLY. OUR CONCERNS
ARE GROUND IN THE EXPERIENCES OF
RESIDENTS IN THE SAN JOAQUIN
VALLEY, WHERE MASSIVE DAIRIES
AND MANURE LAGOONS ARE
CONCENTRATED ENERGY PRODUCED
FROM DAIRY METHANE IS THE
PRODUCT OF THESE INDUSTRIAL
DAIRIES, WHICH CONTAMINATE THE
AIR AND WATER OF LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR. WHITMAN WHO ARE LEECHES
INTO GROUNDWATER, CONTAMINATING
DRINKING WATER. SOURCES DIGESTED
MANURE APPLIED TO LAND FOLLOWING
DIGESTION CONTAINS THE SAME
AMOUNT OF NITRATE AS MANURE. PRE
DIGESTION DIGESTION IS NOT
SOLVING FOR GROUNDWATER
CONTAMINATION. LARGE INDUSTRIAL
DAIRIES PRODUCED SIGNIFICANT AIR
POLLUTION IN GHG EMISSIONS. IN
ADDITION, COMMUNITIES NEAR THESE
DAIRIES VISCERALLY EXPERIENCE
THE FOUL ODORS AND FLIES THAT
IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN
THEIR HOMES AND THEIR
NEIGHBORHOODS. DIGESTER GAS
PRODUCTION DOES NOT SOLVE THE
PROBLEM OF AIR POLLUTION FROM
DAIRIES, NORTHERN METHANE FROM
ENTERIC EMISSIONS. THE STATE'S
INCLUSION OF DIGESTER GAS AS A
RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCE IN
ZERO CARBON RESOURCE HAS PAVED
THE WAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO FOR
POLICIES THAT INCENTIVIZE THE
PRODUCTION OF METHANE IN THE
FORM OF WET MANURE. THROUGHOUT
POLLUTION BURDEN COMMUNITIES OF
THE SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY RIGHT
NOW, DAIRY HERDS ARE
CONCENTRATING AROUND AND IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE
INFRASTRUCTURE TO PRODUCE AND
DISTRIBUTE DIGESTER GAS, WHICH
IS THE OBVIOUS CONSEQUENCE OF
ENCOURAGING ITS PRODUCTION
THROUGH OUR ENERGY AND CLIMATE
POLICIES. REGARDING THE TRUST
FUND. WE ARE GENERALLY
SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONTENT, BUT
WE CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS
ABOUT HOW THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE
WILL BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS
OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES AND HOW IT WOULD
INTERACT WITH EXISTING PROGRAMS
. MY COLLEAGUE RAQUEL WILL
DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IN HER
TESTIMONY. JUST WANT TO KNOW
THAT WE ARE ENGAGED WITH CARB
AROUND THE L. C. F S TO ADDRESS
THIS ISSUE AS WELL. AND WE
RESPECTFULLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THESE CONCERNS ADDRESSED IN THIS
BILL AS WELL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE
AUTHOR'S THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. YEAH GOOD
AFTERNOON. CHAIR REVIS AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
RICK L. MASON AND I AM THE
POLICY MANAGER FOR THE
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
LINES OR SAY, HA. WE APPRECIATE
THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH THE
SENATE CLIMATE WORKING GROUP IS
TAKING OUR CLIMATE CRISIS BUT
MUST SPECIFIC RESPECTFULLY
SPEAKING OPPOSITION TO SB 10 20
UNLESS KEY AMENDMENTS ARE MADE.
SB 10 20 CREATES A CLIMATE AND
EQUITY TRUST FUND THAT
CONCEPTUALLY WE ARE SUPPORTIVE
OF, BUT IN PRINT RAISES CONCERNS
. WE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IT
REQUIRES ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION
AND CONSIDERATION, AS CURRENTLY
OUTLINED THE TRUST FUND WOULD
REPURPOSE AND FUNNEL EXISTING
SOURCES OF FUNDING, WHICH WE
FEAR WILL DROP FUNDING AWAY FROM
CRITICAL PROGRAMS. CLARIFYING
THAT THE INTENT OF THE TRUST
FUND FUNDING WOULD BE IN
ADDITION TO AND NOT IN
REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PROGRAMS
WOULD ALLEVIATE CONCERNS AND
ENSURE THAT PROGRAMS ARE
COMMUNITIES DEPEND ON REMAIN AS
INTENDED. TO ADMINISTER THE
TRUST FUND. SP 10 20 PROPOSES A
NEW NONPROFIT AUTHORITY THAT AS
WRITTEN IS CONFUSING AND
COMPLICATED. WE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY TO ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES. THE SHORT
TERM SORE SERVICE COMMITMENT FOR
APPOINTEES COULD RESULT IN
APPOINTEES WITHOUT SUFFICIENT
TIME TO DIG INTO THESE HIGHLY
COMPLICATED ISSUES. ADDITIONALLY
SETTING UP A NEW AUTHORITY COULD
DELAY THE DEPLOYMENT OF FUNDING
TO CRITICAL PROGRAMS AS WELL AS
CREATE A NEW LAYER OF
BUREAUCRACY FOR EGYPT
COMMUNITIES TO NAVIGATE AND IN
ALREADY OPEN WE'LL PICK BUDGET
ADVOCACY AND IMPLEMENTATION
PROCESS. WE ARE CONCERNED WITH
THE POTENTIAL THAT THE TRUST
FUND MAY AUTHORIZE A STATE
AGENCY WITH PROCUREMENT POWERS,
SHIFTING PROCUREMENT
RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE STATE OR
IN STEEP AND INCLUSIVE
CONVERSATIONS THAT TODAY HAVE
NOT TAKEN PLACE. A SHIFT TO THIS
KIND. WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL
AND INCLUSIVE TO AVOID
UNINTENDED RISK OF FRONTLINE
COMMUNITIES. FINALLY THIS BILL
DOES NOT INCLUDE DETAILS TO
ENSURE THAT THERE'S EQUITABLE
ACCESS TO THE FUNDS WITHOUT
EXPLICITLY PRIORITIZING
OVERBURDEN COMMUNITIES. WE DO
NOT SEE HOW THIS CAN BE
CONSIDERED A CLIMATE AND EQUITY
FUND. OUR MEMBERS WOULD WELCOME
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG INTO
THESE DETAILS AND ANSWER THESE
DIFFICULT QUESTIONS AGAIN. WE
APPRECIATE THE SENATOR'S
LEADERSHIP ON THESE ISSUES AND
WANT TO BE TRUE PARTNERS AND
MEETING THIS EXISTENTIAL
CHALLENGE WITH EQUITY
PRIORITIZED ACROSS THE BOARD. TO
ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THESE
CONCERNS. WE SUGGEST THAT THE
TRUST FUND BE DISCUSSED
SEPARATELY FROM SETTING INTERIM
TARGETS OF FRAMEWORK AS
AMBITIOUS AND INTER KINETIC,
INTERCONNECTED AS THAT OUTLINED
IN SB 10 20 WARRANTS, A SEPARATE
POLICY VEHICLE AND A MEANINGFUL
ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. WE ARE
GRATEFUL FOR THE COLLABORATIVE
SPIRIT WITH WHICH THE SENATE
CLIMATE WORKING GROUP AND THE
SENATOR HAS LED WITH. WE ASKED
THAT THE FURTHER SPACE FOR
DISCUSSION AND MEANINGFUL
PARTNERSHIP CREATED TO CREATE A
CLIMATE IN EQUITY TRUST FUND
THAT THOUGHTFULLY AND
MEANINGFULLY MEETS THE NEEDS OF
THIS MOMENT, AND ESPECIALLY OUR
MOST VULNERABLE CALIFORNIANS.
FOR THESE REASONS, IT HAS
RESPECT RESPECTFULLY AND AN
OPPOSING LESS AMENDED POSITION.
THANK YOU. QUÊ ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. GOOD
EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS
MADELINE COOPER WITH NIELSEN
MERKSAMER ON BEHALF OF THE
ASSOCIATED BUILDERS AND
CONTRACTORS OF CALIFORNIA AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS AUSTIN
WEBSTER W STRATEGIES ON BEHALF
OF THE ANIMAL LEGAL DEFENSE FUND
. I WILL ENTER COMMENTS WITH THE
PREVIOUS TESTIMONY AND
RESPECTFULLY ARE OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED. AMBER SAY, HOW WOULD
TRENTON PRICE CONSULTING ON
BEHALF OF NL AND THE ASIAN
PACIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL NETWORK
ALSO OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.NEXT. NO.
WE HAVE ONE MORE. MM. PATRICK
WELSH WITH THE CALIFORNIA MISS.
WAIT TILL ASSOCIATION NO
POSITION BUT DID WANT TO
RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED
AMENDMENTS THE AUTHOR
UNRELIABILITY AND MAKING THE
TRUST FUND A LITTLE BIT MORE
WORK FOR OUR MEMBERS AS WELL AS
WORKING WITH STATE AGENCY
PROCUREMENT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE AND HE
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA, UH, JUST
QUESTION AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE
NOT THE AUTHOR, BUT THE
OPPOSITION BROUGHT UP DAIRY
DIGESTERS. UM BECAUSE I READ THE
BILL. THERE WASN'T REALLY
ANYTHING STATED THAT WHERE IS
THAT COMING FROM? THAT'S CORRECT
. AND I WILL LET UH, LIVER
ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT IT'S
NOT STATED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
IN THIS BILL. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. THANK YOU. KIP LIPPER
ON BEHALF OF PRO TEM ATKINS. AND
TODAY, UH, SUMMER INTERN TO
SENATOR LEHMAN. THANK YOU,
ADJUNCT. THE GOOD QUESTION, MR
FLORA, THEY EXISTING LAW. SB 100
SETS A TARGET OF A 2045 0 CARBON
EMISSIONS FROM THE ELECTRICITY
SECTOR. THIS BILL SETS INTERIM
TARGETS IN BETWEEN NOW AND 2045.
DAIRY GAS AND BIOGAS IN GENERAL
IS AN ELIGIBLE RENEWABLE ENERGY
RESOURCES UNDER CERTAIN
CONDITIONS UNDER CURRENT LAW. SO
THE CONCERN IS THAT CURRENT LAW
REALLY IS THE ISSUE WHETHER
DAIRY DIGESTERS AND THE
EMISSIONS FROM THOSE DIGESTERS
AS REDUCED SHOULD BE CREDITABLE
TOWARDS ZERO CARBON REDUCTION.
THIS BILL DOESN'T CHANGE THAT
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THAT
DECISION WAS MADE IN THE CONTEXT
OF THE RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO
STANDARD AND IN THE CONTEXT OF
SB 100, HAVING SAID THAT I DO.
FEEL I BELIEVE SENATOR LARRY
WOULD WANT ME TO EXPRESS AS WITH
SENATOR ATKINS, A VERY OPEN MIND
ON THE ISSUE OF THE TRUST FUND
AND TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER
ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY THE
OPPONENTS. IT IS NOT OUR DESIRE
TO PROMOTE POLLUTING
TECHNOLOGIES. UNDER THIS BILL.
THIS IS INTENDED TO SET INTERIM
TARGETS. AS SENATOR, LIMÓN SAID
. WITH RESPECT TO THE CURRENT
LAW, 100% 0 CARBON TARGET, SO
THAT'S THE EXPLANATION. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
GREAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? OKAY THANK YOU FOR
PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF SENATOR
DISCUSSIONS ON TO RESOLVE ISSUES
RELATED TO THE TRUST FUND. AND,
UM AND SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT
TODAY. WE DON'T OKAY? YEAH, I
WOULD SAY WE DON'T OKAY. WE HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE A MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOOD AND SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA,
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS REVERSE RIVAS I
FLORA. FLORA NO BENNETT.
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. SORRY GARCIA.
I MATHIS MATTIS SNOW MCCARTHY.
MURATSUCHI GUCCI. I SAY ARTO.
SEYARTO NO STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? YEAH THAT BILL HAS FIVE
VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE IT ON CALL.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO
ITEM 11 SP 12 30 BY SENATOR
LEHMAN PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS SP 12 30
WILL STREAMLINE THE VARIOUS
PROGRAMS CALIFORNIA HAS TO
INCENTIVIZE CONSUMERS. TO SWITCH
TO LOWER EMISSION VEHICLES. THIS
BILL WILL REQUIRE CARB TO CREATE
ONE SINGLE PORTAL WHERE A PERSON
CAN APPLY FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS
ONLINE, MAKING THE NETWORK OF
PROGRAMS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND
AND ACCESS. ADDITIONALLY SP 12
30 S CARBS TO EXPEDITE THE
APPROVAL PROCESS FROM SO MORE
PEOPLE CAN GET ACCESS TO THESE
INCENTIVES FASTER, THE NETWORK
OF OVERLAPPING PROGRAMS AND LONG
APPROVAL PROCESS CAN BE A MAJOR
BARRIER FOR MANY LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS. WANTING TO MAKE
THE SWITCH TO AN ELECTRIC
VEHICLE. TRANSITIONING TO
ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS A MAJOR PART
IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF
CALIFORNIA MEETING OUR CLIMATE
GOALS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT IT IS AN EQUITABLE PROCESS.
FOR PEOPLE AND THAT THEY DON'T
GET LEFT BEHIND TODAY WITH ME
TODAY IS ALL WET CADENA,
REPRESENTING LET'S GREEN
CALIFORNIA TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF THE BILL. WILL. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS. ADANI UM WITH LANG
HANSEN JR. OKAY DONNIE HAVE THE
PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING ROMERO
INSTITUTE, THE LOWER SQUARE THE
FOUNDATION AND LET'S GREEN. UM I
WILL BE BRIEF, UM, IN LIGHT OF
THE LATE HOUR. ROMERO INSTITUTE
FOR YEARS HAS BEEN CONDUCTING A
LOT ABOUT REACH WITH COMMUNITIES
OF COLOR, DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND REALIZE THAT.
THE KEY TO PICKING THE LOCK WITH
ACCESS TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES IS
EASE OF USE. LET'S STREAMLINE
THE PROCESS. LET'S MAKE IT EASY
, AND LET'S REMOVE ALL THE
BARRIERS AND THIS BILL. THANK
YOU TO SENATOR LEMONS.
LEADERSHIP IS PART OF THAT TOOL
KIT. IT'S A TOOL THAT GOES INTO
THE TO THE TOOLKIT. WE'VE SEEN A
LOT OF BILLS GOING THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS A SIMPLE TOOL THAT GOES
INTO THE TOOLKIT. SO UM, WITH
THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. SHOULD THE COMMITTEE
HAVE ANY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME. THANK YOU NEXT, ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. JULIE
MALINOWSKI BALL ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC
TRANSPORTATION COALITION AND
SUPPORT VINCE WARREN MODULE WITH
CLIMATE CENTER AND SUPPORT.
KAYLA ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF CAL
STAR AND SUPPORT. RUTH MCDONALD
, 3 50, SACRAMENTO 3 50, SILICON
VALLEY AND CONEJO CLIMATE
COALITION IN SUPPORT. NEXT. ARE
THERE WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
SEEN ON ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD SO THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THE
BILL FORWARD IS SO IT'S LIKE A
ONE STOP SHOP FOR EVEY. SO WITH
THIS INCLUDE THE STICKERS FOR
HIV LANES. WOULD THIS INCLUDE?
THIS IS SO NO. SO IT'S NOT THAT
SO IT DOESN'T SO THIS IS REALLY
INTENDED TO INCLUDE, UH, THE
DIFFERENT REBATE PROGRAMS FOR
THE CAR ITSELF. NOT NECESSARILY
FOR THE STICKER, BUT THAT'S A
GREAT IDEA. YEAH JUST IF YOU'RE
LOOKING AT A ONE STOP SHOP. IT'S
JUST YOU STILL GOTTA GO. ONE
MORE PLACE. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO
GET IT ALL IN ONE PLACE IF YOU
COULD THANK YOU FOR THE
SUGGESTION. GREAT. ANY OTHER
COMMENTS. WE'VE SEEN NONE. THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD I WILL BE SUPPORTING
TODAY. UM WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN
IVA. SO WE EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MATHIS, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS REVERSE I FLORA.
BENNETT. FRIEDMAN. GARCIA.
MATHIS MATHIS MCCARTY.
MURATSUCHI SOUCI, I SAY ARTO
ARTO ICE STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS SIX
VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE THAT OPEN.
WE'LL GO BACK AND FILE ORDER.
YES TWO ITEMS. SEVEN SP 733 BY
SENATOR WHISTLE WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS FIRST. I WANT TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH
MY OFFICE AND THE SPONSOR. I
WANT TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. 77 SB 733
IS AN EFFORT TO HELP JUMP START
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN PRODUCTION TO
HELP ACHIEVE OUR STATE ACHIEVED
OUR MOST AMBITIOUS CLIMATE
CHANGE AND CLEAN ENERGY GOALS OR
CLIMATE GOALS FIGHTING CLIMATE
CHANGE. AND OUR CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS. HYDROGEN IS SUPPOSED TO
BECOME AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF
THE CARBON ENERGY ECONOMY OF THE
FUTURE IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER
PARTS OF THE WORLD. HYDROGEN
WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART TO
ACHIEVING ENERGY DECARBONIZATION
AT SCALE, PARTICULARLY TO
ADDRESS THE HEART TO ABATE
SECTORS. HYDROGEN IS AN ENTIRELY
CARBON FREE FUEL. BUT ONE THAT
NEEDS A POLICY AND ECONOMIC
JUMPSTART. 733 BUILDS ON EFFORTS
BILL THAT I WORKED ON PREVIOUSLY
AS P. 14 40, WHICH REQUIRED THE
CPUC TO ESTABLISH A PROCUREMENT
STANDARD FOR BIO METHANE. AS 73
7 33 AUTHORIZES CPUC TO CONSIDER
EXPANDING THE BIO METHANE
PROCUREMENT PROCUREMENT STANDARD
TO ALSO INCLUDE RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN. THIS PILL REQUIRES A
CPSC DEFINED THE TARGETS AND
GOALS TO BE COST EFFECTIVE MEANS
TO ACHIEVE ARE SHORT LIVED
CLIMATE. POLLUTANT AND
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
REDUCTION GOALS. AS WELL AS
ENSURING THE CPSC HAS A SET OF
SET SAFETY STANDARDS FOR THE
PIPELINES TRANSPORTING THE
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN WE HAVE TODAY
OR I INVITED YURI FRIEDMAN. THE
SENIOR DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS
DEVELOPMENT WITH SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA GAS COMPANY TO MAKE
SOME COMMENTS. AND THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THIS BILL
TODAY. THANK YOU, SANTA, MADAM
CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE TODAY. AND TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF SB 7 33. THIS BILL IS
VERY SIMILAR TO THE RENEWABLE
PORTFOLIO STANDARD FRAMEWORK.
THAT HAS BEEN SO REMARKABLE
SUCCESSFUL IN DRIVING THE
ADOPTION OF CLEAN POWER AT
SCALE. AND LOWER ITS COST BY
FULL ORDER OF MAGNITUDES IN
ABOUT A DECADE. WE BELIEVE THAT
IT IS TIME TO APPLY THIS
APPROACH OF THE SO SUCCESSFUL
FALKLAND ELECTRONS. TO CLEAN
MOLECULES. NOW LIKELY MOLECULES.
THIS TOPIC CAME UP EARLIER
TODAY. CLINTON MOLECULES ARE
GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR
SUCCESSFUL DECARBONIZATION OF
THE STATE. WITHOUT COMPROMISING
RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCY. AND
HYDROGEN IS VERY WELL POSITIONED
TO PLAY A CENTRAL ROLE AMONG
THESE CLEAN MOLECULES. BECAUSE
IT IS REMARKABLE COMPLIMENTARY
RENEWABLES FROM THE SUPPLY SIDE
AS A LONG TERM ENERGY STORAGE
MECHANISM. AND CAN BE APPLIED
ACROSS AN EXTREMELY BROAD RANGE
OF END USERS. EXPEDITIOUS
ADOPTION OF HYDROGEN IS CRITICAL
TO CALIFORNIA MEETINGS, CLIMATE
GOALS. AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE
ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THINK
THANK YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIRMAN
MEMBER SCOTT WISH ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE TRADES
COUNCIL, THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
AND THE STATE ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS THINK THIS
BILL IS CRITICAL TO MOVING
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN FORWARD AND
WOULD URGE AND I VOTE. THANK
YOU. MCLOVIN SEEN IN CALIFORNIA
ADVISORS ON BEHALF OF THE
BIOENERGY ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS DON GILBERT
FOR THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
SANITATION DISTRICTS AND SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THERESA COOK
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN COALITION AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. UP NEXT.
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS BETH OLA
. SO ON BEHALF OF THE
AGRICULTURAL ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION, I WANT TO START OFF
BY SAYING WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE
OF HYDROGEN AND AGREE THAT
HYDROGEN HAS TO BE PART OF OUR
CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE. HOWEVER WE
ARE IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION TO
THE BILL FOR A NUMBER OF
REASONS. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE
AMENDMENTS. BUT THERE'S A VERY
BIG AND COMPLICATED ISSUE. IT
WAS A MID JUNE, YOU KNOW, GOTTEN
AMEND. UM WE'RE JUST REVIEWING A
, YOU KNOW, WE LOKED AT THREE
SETS OF AMENDMENTS OVER THE
WEEKEND. WE'RE JUST KIND OF
LOOKING AT THEM AGAIN. NOW UM,
WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT
BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A IMPORTANT
PART OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DE
CARBONIZED THE PIPELINE IN THE
FUTURE. UM UNDERSTAND? YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE TRYING TO TIE THIS TO
THE BIO METHANE PROCUREMENT
STANDARD, WHICH WERE VERY
SUPPORTIVE OF VERY IMPORTANT
THAT HAD A LIMITED NUMBER OF
PROJECTS NUMBER OF MEGAWATTS. IT
WAS IT A LIMITED IMPACT TO
RATEPAYERS? THIS IS AN OPEN
ENDED, UM, PROCESS THAT WOULD BE
STARTED. THAT COULD ADD HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS, IF NOT BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. TO REPAIR COSTS.
ADDITIONALLY THE CPUC THE C E C
AND SOME EXTENT, CARB OR ALL
LOOKING AT HOW TO SAFELY AND
COST IF IT'S EFFECTIVELY
INTEGRATE HYDROGEN INTO THE
SYSTE. SO CALLED GAS HAS AN
APPLICATION THAT'S AT THE PUC TO
DO SOME OF THIS RIGHT NOW. THESE
PROCESSES NEED TO PLAY OUT
BEFORE WE SADDLE RATEPAYERS WITH
THESE SIGNIFICANT COSTS AT A
TIME WHEN WE ALL KNOW THAT
NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRICITY
RATES ARE IMPACTING CUSTOMERS
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR, BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO
LOOK AT THE COST OF THIS.
THERE'S PROCESSES AT THE
REGULATORY AGENCY IS HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING TO
ADDRESS THIS. FIGURE OUT HOW WE
CAN DO THIS SAFELY AND MOVE
FORWARD WITH OUR CLEAN ENERGY
FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MARK FINSTER
MAKER ON BEHALF OF EARTH JUSTICE
ALSO REGISTERING OPPOSITION FOR
SARAH CLUB. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, CARLOS GUTIERREZ ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA FRESH
FOOD ASSOCIATION, CALIFORNIA
CITRUS MUTUAL AND THE CALIFORNIA
CONJURERS AND GROCERY
ASSOCIATION STILL IN OPPOSITION.
KELLY ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF NRDC
ACTION FUND. RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. RYAN
MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THEIR
PRODUCTS THEY HAVEN'T OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED POSITION. REBECCA
MARQUEZ, REPRESENTING THE UNION
OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS AND
OPPOSITION. RUTH MCDONALD, 3 50
SILICON VALLEY IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, MR
MATHIS. YEAH, SENATOR. I KNOW
YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH AG ON
THIS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
WHERE YOU'RE GOING. WHERE DO YOU
SEE THOSE CONVERSATIONS GOING?
AS THIS BUILD, MOVED FORWARD
APPROPRIATIONS AND OTHER THINGS
, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S MY
DEEPEST CONCERN, ESPECIALLY WHEN
WE DIVE INTO THE CAST OF YOU
KNOW WHAT THIS DOES TO THE
INDUSTRY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE
DEALING WITH INFLATION ALREADY
ALREADY HIGH ENERGY COSTS AND WE
ALL KNOW THAT GETS PASSED ON TO
HOW MUCH THAT COSTS FAMILIES IN
THE GROCERY STORES. SO I MEAN,
JUST ANY INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE
I'M I REALLY WANT TO HELP YOU
OUT ON THIS ONE. UM BUT I HAVE
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT
PASSING THIS OFF THE STRUGGLING
FAMILIES, TOO. BECAUSE THAT'S
ULTIMATELY WHERE IT GOES. AND I
JUST, UH I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS,
AND THOSE ARE THE SAME
QUESTIONS. I ASKED. AND WE WE'VE
STARTED. WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT THIS. FOR YEARS AS THIS IS
NOT A BILL THAT CAME ABOUT IN
DAYS OR MONTHS OR WEEKS. WE HAD
RESERVED A BILL JUST FOR THIS
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN. WE HAVE
BEEN WORKING ON THIS. AND I JUST
WANT TO KIND OF PUT IT IN
CONTEXT. CALIFORNIA HAS DONE
THIS BEFORE. WE'VE DONE THIS
WITH SOLAR. WE'VE DONE THIS WITH
VARIOUS OTHER CLEAN ENERGIES
THAT AT THE TIME OF PASSING THE
BILL. THOSE THOSE TECHNOLOGIES
WERE. MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN
COLD, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN
NATURAL GAS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE
THAN OTHER FUELS. BUT THE IDEA
WAS THAT WE HAD TO TRANSITION TO
CLEANER ENERGY. AND AS WE'VE
MOVED THE COST OF THAT ENERGY
SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASED. AND IT
WAS DONE IN IN A IN A IN A
PHASED PROCESS. IT WASN'T ALL AT
ONCE AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH
THOSE TECHNOLOGIES. AND THE IDEA
IS THAT WE START WORKING NOW ON
A PROCESS THAT MAY TAKE 10 OR 15
, MAYBE EVEN 20 YEARS, SO THIS
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN OR EVEN AFFECT RATES NEXT
YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER IN THREE
YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT KICKING
THE GETTING THIS PROCESS
STARTED. AND I HAVE A COMPANION
MEASURE THAT WORKS WITH THIS
BILL THAT HAS TO DO WITH
HYDROGEN, SO THAT EVERY BILL
THAT I'VE EVER WORKED ON HAS A
COST. CONTAINING PROVISIONS.
THIS BILL IS NO DIFFERENT. WE
WANT THIS BILL TO FOLLOW THE
SAME PROCESS THAT 14 40 POP.
FOLLOWED UH, WE HAVE OPPONENTS
HERE THAT WERE PART OF THAT.
THAT SHARED THEIR CONCERNS THAT,
UH, HELP WORK WITH ME. TO MAKE
THAT BILL WORK. AND I'M GONNA
TELL YOU THAT BILL STRUGGLED
THROUGH THIS LEGISLATURE NEVER
HAD THE VOTES. I DON'T KNOW HOW
WE GOT THEM. BUT AT THE END OF
THE DAY, PEOPLE WERE HAPPY WITH
THE END PRODUCT. WE WILL NOT
SEND ANYTHING. TO THE GOVERNOR'S
TESTS THAT WERE NOT HAPPY WITH
THAT, UH, WE AS A COMMUNITY,
INCLUDING AG AND EVERYONE,
THAT'S PART OF THIS TABLE THAT
WE FEEL. THAT WILL WORK FOR
CALIFORNIA WORKED FOR THE RAPE
PAIRS. I AM ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS
THAT THROUGH MY COMMITTEE HAVE
WORKED TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF
OUR POLICIES IN FACT, RATEPAYERS
AND IN IN IN A IN A HARSH WAY.
WHAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN
CALIFORNIA, AND THIS IS WHAT
I'VE SHARED WITH AN INTERVIEWS
WITH THE PRESS AND SAID, WHY WHY
RATE SO HIGH? AND. WHAT I CAN
TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED
IN CALIFORNIA'S HISTORY WHERE
RATES SHOOT UP, AND THEN THEY
COME DOWN WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN
THEY'RE VERY LOW. WE DON'T WE'RE
NOT SEEING ARTICLES IN THE
PAPER, BUT AS YOU AS YOU AVERAGE
OR YEARLY RATES. WE HAVE SOME OF
THE LOWEST RATES IN THE COUNTRY.
AND THAT THAT IS A FACT RIGHT
NOW. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT
THERE. WE HAVE A HIGH RATES AND
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US
ARE HAPPY WITH. BUT IT IS JUST A
FUNCTION OF THE WAY. UH
CALIFORNIA WORKS WITH REGARDS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS HAPPENS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SOME STATES
IN RESPONSE TO THOSE RATES HAVE
ALREADY EXCEEDED CALIFORNIA AND
THEY'LL PROBABLY COME DOWN.
WE'LL COME DOWN. IT'S AVERAGING
OUT WHERE THE COST IS, IS KIND
OF GOING DOWN. IT'S SO I THINK
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ADD
CLEANER GAS TO OUR PORTFOLIO. IT
CAN BE DONE. IT'S BEEN DONE. I
MEAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
THERE WERE COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF
ALMOST PURE HYDROGEN IN THEIR
SYSTEMS. 50% MIXES WHERE THEY
DEVELOPED A SYSTEM WHERE IT WAS
CORRECT, FUNCTIONAL AND WORKABLE
AND VERY CLEAN FUEL. AND I THINK
WE CAN GET THERE. AND SO THAT
THIS BILL HAS, UH, HAD
SUBSTANTIAL INPUT OF MEMBERS OF
THE LEGISLATURE THAT THROUGH THE
LAST COMMITTEE, WE HAD A
WONDERFUL DISCUSSION. THIS
COMMITTEE I'D LIKE TO THANK THE
STAFF AND THE AND THE CHAIRWOMAN
FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS TO
MAKE THIS BILL BETTER BILL. AND
WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS
BILL, AND I PROMISE TO WORK WITH
THE INDUSTRY TO WORK WITH ALL
THE MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY AND
WHICH IS GOING TO COME BACK TO
THE SENATE. AND WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE.
AND I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS
TO GET CLEAN, CHEAP POWER, AND
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
ACHIEVE WITH THIS BILL. I THINK
THIS BILL, I THINK NOBODY,
NOBODY DISAGREES WITH THE FACT
THAT WE NEED TO EMPLOY MY
HYDROGEN. THE QUESTION IS, CAN
WE GET THIS RESOLVED THIS YEAR
BECAUSE THE CLOCKIS TICKING.
AND WE DO NEED TO START WORKING
ON THIS AND IT WILL REALLY TAKE
A LONG, LONG TIME BEFORE WE CAN
ACTUALLY GET THE FIRST. UH
ELECTRON OR THE FIRST PARTICLE
OF GAS INTO OUR SYSTEM WITH THIS
LEGISLATION, SO I THINK WE NEED
TO START WORKING ON THIS AND
THIS WILL ALSO EMPOWER THE B.
TO TAKE AN ADDITIONAL TWO, YOU
KNOW, COME UP WITH AN ENTIRE
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK TO DO THIS,
AS HAPPENED WITH 14 40 14 40 WAS
PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE
PUC JUST TO STAB LIST HIS FIRST
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK A YEAR AGO.
AND THE PROCESS HAS BEGUN. AND
IT WILL. IT WILL BE A LONG TIME
BEFORE. UH, IT IMPACTS THE
SYSTEM SO. WE HOPE WE CAN COUNT
ON YOUR SUPPORT TODAY AND I'LL
WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THESE
CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH.
UH, THE PARTICULARS OF THE
POLICY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
THE COMMITTEE. HAVE A QUESTION?
I IF I MAY, I WANTED TO ASK THE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE NRDC
ACTION FUNDING. TO COME TO THE
MIC. SHE'S STILL HERE. ALL
RIGHT. SO, UM. THIS IS THE
SECOND TIME SECOND COMMITTEE
HEARING THAT I'M REVIEWING THIS
BILL. THERE WERE WHAT APPEARED
TO BE SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS
TAKING IN BOTH UTILITIES AND
ENERGY AS WELL AS THIS COMMITTEE
. IT'S A LINING THE DEFINITION
OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN WITH THE
RPS. UH RATHER THAN A
PROCUREMENT MANDATE IT IS TO
CONSIDER AH, FOR THE PUC TO
CONSIDER ESTABLISHING RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN PROCUREMENT GOALS. UM
AS WELL AS TO EVALUATE WHETHER
UM. THE GAS CORPORATION CAN
RECOVER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND
ITS RATE BASE. UM. WHY ARE THOSE
AMENDMENTS AND THAT SUFFICIENT
TO REMOVE YOUR OPPOSITION? YEAH,
I KNOW. OUR TEAM IS STILL
WORKING TO REVIEW THE BILL, AND
I'D BE HAPPY TO REACH BACK OUT
TO YOUR OFFICE TO LET YOU KNOW
SPECIFICS, BUT AT THIS TIME
WE'RE STILL IN A OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION, BUT HAPPY TO
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU WITH MORE
DETAIL. COULD YOU OR ANYONE ELSE
IN YOUR COALITION LIKE HIGHLIGHT
YOUR YOUR YOUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
UNFORTUNATELY, CANNOT. OKAY I'M
SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU
ON THE SPOT THERE, BUT UM OKAY.
I THINK WE HAVE YOUR YOUR LETTER
ABOUT THAT. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH
YOUR OFFICE. THANK YOU. SEEING
NO OTHER QUESTIONS. UM. SENATOR
I WOULD JUST WANT TO CONFIRM
THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTING ALL THE
AMENDMENTS. YES. YES, THANK YOU.
UM ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION?
MOTIONS MADE BY DR WOOD IS THEIR
SECOND. SECOND BY MR STONE, UM
ETCETERA, WHICH LIKE CLOTHES? I
APPRECIATE. AGAIN THE HELP OF
THIS COMMITTEE AND WE'RE GOING
TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON WITH THE
LEGISLATURE ON HONING THIS BILL
, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR ATTENTION. TO OUR
PRESENTATION WERE RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. ALRIGHT?
MOTIONS DO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. RIVAS.
FLORA. BENNETT. FRIEDMAN.
GARCIA. MATHIS. METHODS, NOT
VOTING. MCCARTY. MURATSUCHI AYE,
SEYARTO. CIERTO, NO STONE. I
DON'T I WOULD. WOULD I? THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY DO YOU HAVE
ANOTHER? YES YOU HAVE ITEM
NUMBER EIGHT SP 13 47 13 47
THANK YOU WILL DEVELOP AN
IMPORTANT INFORMATIONAL
FOUNDATION. FOR THE
UNDERSTANDING OF THE BROADER
CONTEXT OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN IN
CALIFORNIA BY REQUIRING THE
STATE EVERY SOURCES BOARD TO
COMPLETE A STUDY OF RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION.
DISTRIBUTION TRANSMISSION AND
APPLICATION. SB 13 47 WOULD SPUR
AN IN DEPTH ASSESSMENT OF THE
ROLE. THAT RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
CAN HAVE IN THE EFFORTS TO
ACHIEVE THE STATES. GOAL FOR
CARBON NEUTRALITY AGAIN. I WANT
TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR
WORKING WITH OUR OFFICE AND THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT I WILL
BE ACCEPTING. AND WE HAVE. WITH
US FROM CRUZ STRATEGIES, GLENN
CAROL. SORRY UH, TO MAKE SOME
COMMENTS OR ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS? AFTERNOON MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, GLENN FARRELL ON BEHALF
OF INTERJECTS RENEWABLES. REALLY
WHAT'S WIVES EXPRESS? OUR
APPRECIATION FOR SENATOR HUESO
IS LEADERSHIP IN THE HYDROGEN
SPACE AND AUTHORING THIS BILL,
ANDYOU KNOW, WE REALLY SUPPORT
SB 13 47 THE IMPORTANT STEP THAT
IT TAKES AND BUILDING THE
INFORMATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR
CALIFORNIA AND BETTER
UNDERSTANDING. RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION,
TRANSMISSION, DISTRIBUTION AND
USE APPLICATIONS. JUST CONTINUE
HELPING BUILD OUR INFORMATIONAL
FOUNDATION FOR THE FOR THE
RESOURCE SO, ER DRIVE VOTE
TODAY. ALRIGHT OR THEN ANY
FURTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MR CHAIRMAN. REMEMBER SCOTT,
WHICH AND BETH CALIFORNIA STATE
PATRIOTS COUNCIL, THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
IN THE STATE ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. YOU KNOW FURTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT AND
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. SEEING
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, MR
MATHIS. I'LL MAKE THIS ONE
SHORT, SENATOR. I LOVE THIS ONE
I KNOW WOULD BE HONORED TO BE A
CO AUTHOR WITH YOU AND THIS ONE.
THANK YOU APPRECIATE THAT VERY
MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
THE COMMITTEE. MR GARCIA. I WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS, AND
I'LL BE VOTING FOR YOUR BILL
TODAY, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION
OF PENDING CONCERN THAT CAME IN
LATE AND DOESN'T CHANGE MY
POSITION FOR TODAY, BUT UM.
TALKING TO SOME OF THE
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GROUP
MEMBERS THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT. UH
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HYDROGEN
PRODUCED VERSUS HYDROGEN DERIVED
AH FROM THE NON COMBUSTION
THERMAL CONVERSION. UH AND HAVE
ASKED. FOR THAT CHANGE IN THAT
WORD, AND IT CAME IN LATE, SO I
DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD
A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT IF
NOT JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU
CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT
POSSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD TO
THE NEXT STEP. AND THAT AS WELL,
THANK THANK YOU REACH OUT TO
YOUR TEAM WITH THANKS FOR
BRINGING THAT UP. THANK YOU ANY
FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? SAYING NONE. EMOTIONS
BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES. AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CENTER WAS LIKE
CLOSE. JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK
YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. RIVAS.
FLORA. BENNETT. FRIEDMAN.
GARCIA. GARCIA MATHIS MCCARTHY.
READ SUKI. SUKI, I SAY ARTO TÔI
STONE. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT I
BELIEVE WE'RE GOING AND FILE
ORDER HERE. AND SO, SENATOR
MCGUIRE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH HERE. THERE'S
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO MR
CHAIR. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'LL
BE VERY QUICK AND JUST REALLY
GRATEFUL TO BE WITH YOU. AND I
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CHAIR
REVIS IN HER INCREDIBLE STAFF
FOR ALL THE WORK. IT'S A
CRITICAL RESOLUTION THAT
DECLARED THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY
THAT EMERGENCY THREATENS TO
STATE THE NATION IN THE PLANET.
AND WHAT WE KNOW IS WESTERN
STATES ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO
EXTREME DROUGHT AND LARGER, MORE
DESTRUCTIVE, FREQUENT WILDFIRES,
WHICH WE SEE AS A RESULT. OF THE
CLIMATE CRISIS THAT WE'RE FACING
. FINALLY I WANT TO THANK THE
STUDENTS AND THEY ARE HERE FROM
SOME MEMBER WOODS DISTRICT AND
OUR DISTRICT. IN REALLY GRATEFUL
TO THE STUDENTS OF SINAMA
ACADEMY. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT
ADVANCE THIS CLIMATE EMERGENCY
RESOLUTION. WE'VE BEEN HONORED
TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM. AND
IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, MR CHAIR I
JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU
DO MADDIE AND SIERRA HANNAH
FATIMA TALLULAH NOT AGAIN AND
IZZY FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP FOR
THE ORGANIZING, AND I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AND I VOTE.
THANK YOU WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY
NAME IS IZZY WEAVER. I'M 17
YEARS OLD, AND I'M A HIGH SCHOOL
STUDENT AT SONOMA ACADEMY. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK
AND SERVICE TO OUR STATE. I'M
HERE TODAY TO VOICE MY SUPPORT
OF SCR 53, WHICH DECLARES A
CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT THREATENS
OUR NATION, OUR STATE AND OUR
PLANET. MY GENERATION HAS THE
MOST TO LOSE FROM THE LACK OF
ACTION ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WE
ARE GROWING UP WITH THE
ACCELERATED CLIMATE RELATED
DISASTERS THAT KEEP US OUT OF
SCHOOL DUE TO EVACUATIONS, SMOKE
HEAT AND FLOODS. I'VE CONSOLED
MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR
HOMES TO FIRE AND I FRANTICALLY
PACKED AND FLED FROM WILDFIRES
EVERY YEAR SINCE I WAS 12. AFTER
EACH CLIMATE RELATED DISASTER,
MORE ADVERSE CHILDHOOD
EXPERIENCES OCCUR FROM THESE
TRAUMATIC EVENTS WHERE I LIVE IN
SONOMA COUNTY, 3000 STUDENTS
WERE STILL EXHIBITING INCREASED
ANXIETY. DEPRESSION AND
DECREASED ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE
AS A RESULT OF THE 2017 WHAT AT
TUBBS FIRE. FAILURE TO TAKE
PROMPT SUBSTANTIVE ACTION ON
CLIMATE CHANGE WOULD BE AN
ACTIVE INJUSTICE TO ALL
CHILDREN. ESPECIALLY
CALIFORNIA'S MOST VULNERABLE. IN
2020 AS PART OF A CIVIC
ENGAGEMENT CLASS I ALONG WITH MY
CLASS PARTNER TO LITERALLY
JUNIPER CHOSE TO PURSUE PASSING
IN CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION
IN CALIFORNIA AFTER RESEARCH
FOUND OVER 15 MILLION
CALIFORNIANS ALREADY LIVE IN A
MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS PASSED A
CLIMATE EMERGENCY DECLARATION
ENCOMPASSING OVER 40% OF THE
STATE. WITH CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
BOARD CITIES, COUNTIES,
UNIVERSITIES AND TRAVEL
GOVERNMENTS DECLARING A CLIMATE
EMERGENCY. WE FELT IT WAS TIME
FOR THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE
TO DO THE SAME. WE ARE GRATEFUL
TO THE SENATOR AND HIS STAFF FOR
HIS DEDICATION TO ENGAGING YOUTH
IN THE POLICIES THAT WILL AFFECT
US. SO TODAY, I'M ASKING THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE TO JOIN
THE STATE OF HAWAII. 19 NATIONAL
GOVERNMENTS AND THE EU TO PASS A
CLIMATE EMERGENCY. IT'S
ESSENTIAL TO CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE BE ON RECORD CALLING
THE CLIMATE CRISIS WHAT IT IS AN
EMERGENCY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS VINCE WARREN
MODULE WITH THE CLIMATE CENTER.
UM AND I'M HONORED TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF SCR 53 CRITICAL
RESOLUTION THAT HIGHLIGHTS AND
RECOGNIZES THE URGENCY OF THE
CLIMATE CRISIS THAT IS UNFOLDING
ALL AROUND US. THE CLIMATE
CENTER AS A CLIMATE AND ENERGY
NONPROFIT, FOCUSED ON BROKEN TOO
RAPIDLY AND EQUITABLY REDUCE
CLIMATE POLLUTION AT SCALE,
STARTING IN CALIFORNIA. THE
EXISTS EXISTENTIAL THREAT POSED
BY CLIMATE CHANGE IS WELL
DOCUMENTED, WELL KNOWN AND
RAPIDLY ACCELERATING ITS PACE.
THE U. N SECRETARY GENERAL HAS
NOTED THAT THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS
NOTHING LESS THAN A CODE RED FOR
HUMANITY. REFERRING TO THE U. N
SIXTH ASSESSMENT REPORT, WHICH
WAS DRAFTED BY TOP SCIENTISTS
FROM AROUND THE WORLD. EXTREME
EVENTS WITNESSED IN THE PAST
YEAR ARE LITERALLY OFF THE
CHARTS, AND SOME EVENTS ARE NOT
INCLUDING THE CLIMATE MODELS
THAT GUIDE GOVERNMENT DECISION
MAKING. THE INTERNATIONAL HEALTH
COMMUNITY IS ALSO WEIGHING IN
WITH 220 MEDICAL JOURNALS FROM
ACROSS THE GLOBE, DECLARING LAST
SEPTEMBER THAT NO TEMPERATURE
RISES SAFE AND THAT ARE RAPIDLY
WARMING CLIMATE POSSESSES POSES
THE GREATEST SINGLE THREAT TO
PUBLIC HEALTH. THIS CRISIS IS
HITTING CALIFORNIA ESPECIALLY
HARD WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECT
TO RECORD BREAKING WILDFIRES,
EXTREME HEAT WAVES, FLOODS AND
REPEATED ELECTRICITY OUTAGES
WITH THE STATE IN THE EARLY
STAGES OF A MULTIDECADAL DROUGHT
MADE SEVERE BY CLIMATE CHANGE.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN CLEAR THAT THE
TIME FOR ACCELERATED CLIMATE
ACTION IS NOW IT IS TIME FOR
CALIFORNIA TO TAKE THE LEAD ONCE
AGAIN IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE
CLIMATE CRISIS, AND WE SHOULD
BEGIN BY ENSURING THAT THE GOALS
BEING SET BY THE STATE, BOTH
STATUTORY AND REGULATORY, ARE
COMMENSURATE WITH THE SHOCKING
SPEED AND SCALE WHICH THE
CLIMATE CRISIS IS MOVING. WE
HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY KNOW HOW AND
STRATEGIES AVAILABLE NOW TO
TACKLE THIS EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
AMBITIOUS POLICY SIGNALS MAKE
CLEAR TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT
THE STATE IS READY TO MOVE EVEN
FASTER. INVESTING MORE NOW WILL
SAVE DOLLARS AND LIVES. BY
IMPLEMENTING THE RIGHT POLICIES
AND MAKING STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS
. WE CAN TAKE THE LEAD AND SHOW
THE PATH TO A NEW ZERO CARBON
PROSPEROUS, EQUITABLE FUTURE. AS
GOES CALIFORNIA. SO GOES THE
WORLD. THIS IS THE TIME TO DO
MORE TO SECURE A VIBRANT,
HEALTHY AND EQUITABLE FUTURE FOR
ALL. WE THANK SENATOR MCGUIRE
FOR HIS TIMELY RESOLUTION THAT
SETS THE STAGE FOR THESE
CRITICAL DISCUSSIONS, AND WE
APPLAUD HIS LEADERSHIP AND LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM AND
THE LEGISLATURE TO TACKLE THIS
EXISTENTIAL THREAT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND NEXT ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. JAMIE
MINOR ON BEHALF OF M C. E.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. PLEASED TO SUPPORT.
CATHERINE BRANDENBURG ON BEHALF
OF CINEMA, CLEAN POWER AND
SUPPORT. MY NAME IS TALLULAH
JUNIPER. I'M FROM SANTA ROSA.
AND I'M IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
SUSAN TOBIN ON BEHALF OF THE
SACRAMENTO CLIMATE COALITION IN
SUPPORT. HANNAH GOT HEALTH FROM
NOVATO AND I'M IN STRONG
SUPPORT. I'M SARAH GREEN AND I'M
FROM SAN RAFAEL AND I'M IN
STRONG SUPPORT. MY NAME IS NANCY
METZGER. CARTER AND I REPRESENT
SCHOOLS FOR CLIMATE ACTION, AND
WE'RE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF STR
53. MADIGAN TROVERSY. I'M FROM
SANTA ROSA, AND I'M IN STRONG
SUPPORT. I'M JILL BOTTOMLEY. I'M
FROM SANTA ROSA ROMAN STRONG
SUPPORT. MY NAME IS MADDIE. I
LIVE IN CLOVERDALE AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT SCR 53. MY NAME
IS FATIMA. I LIVE IN SANTA ROSA
AND I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT. MY
NAME IS JEANNIE WALLACE WEAVER.
I'M A TEACHER IN SONOMA COUNTY
IN STRONG SUPPORT. RUTH MCDONALD
, REPRESENTING SACRAMENTO. ACT 3
50, SACRAMENTO 3 50, SILICON
VALLEY AND CONEJO CLIMATE
COALITION IN STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT, ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OKAY.
SEE NONE. UH ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI
THANK THANK YOU, SENATOR FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I WANT TO
THANK THE STUDENTS FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP. AND IT WOULD BE
HONORED IF YOU CAN ADD ME AS A
CO AUTHOR OF THE BILL OR
RESOLUTION. REMEMBER WHAT TOÀN.
OKAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. UM I APPRECIATE THE
YOUNG PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE
TESTIFYING AND SUPPORT. THE
REASON UH, CLIMATE CHANGE IS
BEING PUSHED AROUND THE WORLD
BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE LEADING
BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE MOST
AFFECTED BY CLIMATE CHANGE IN
THE FUTURE, AND IT MOTIVATES ME
AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER
MEMBERS TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE.
CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A LEADER IN
CLIMATE CHANGE, AND IT'S BECAUSE
WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE, UM,
CALLING US AND TELLING US
EVERYDAY HOW IMPORTANT THIS
ISSUE IS FOR THEM, SO THANK YOU.
UH AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MADAM CHAIR
AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR. JUST WANT TO
SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP TO YOUR STAFF'S
WONDERFUL WORK. WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU, MR MURATSUCHI. MR
WOULD, OF COURSE, WHO HAS BEEN
ABSOLUTE PARTNER AND ALL ISSUES
ON THE NORTH COAST AND WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MATHIS, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD THANK
YOU, SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THE MOTION IS THAT THE
RESOLUTION BE ADOPTED. RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA FLORA I BENNETT
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS MCCARTHY. MERIT. SUKI
SUKI, I SEYARTO CERTAINLY NOT
VOTING STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? OKAY. THAT BILL HAS SIX
VOTES WILL LEAVE THAT OPEN. FOR
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS. NEXT WE HAVE
ITEMS 16 SB 5 60 BY SENATOR
RUBIO. GOOD EVENING. ALMOST HERE
. THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS TODAY
I'M PROUD TO PRESENT SENATE
BILLS 5 60, WHICH AIMS TO
IMPROVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH OF LOW
INCOME AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES. BY ESTABLISHING THE
CLIMATE POLLUTION REDUCTION IN
HOMES INITIATIVE. HISTORICALLY
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES HAVE
DISPROPORTIONATELY SHOULDERED
THE BURDENS OF POOR AIR QUALITY
AND HIGH ENERGY COSTS. FOR
EXAMPLE, 12 MILLION CALIFORNIANS
WITHOUT ACCESS TO PROPERLY
VENTILATED APPLIANCES ARE
ROUTINELY EXPOSED TO NITROGEN
DIOXIDE LEVELS IN THEIR HOMES
THAT WOULD EXCEED THE FEDERAL
AND STATE HEALTH BASED STANDARDS
HAVE FOUND OUTSIDE THE HOME. A
GRANT PROGRAM LIKE THIS ONE
IDENTIFIES IDENTIFIED IN THIS
BILL ALLOWS LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES TO BE AT THE
FOREFRONT OF CLIMATE CHANGE BY
MAKING DIRECT IMPACTS TO REDUCE
GREENHOUSE GASSES IN THEIR
HOMES. TODAY WITH ME. I'D LIKE
TO INTRODUCE KAYLA ROBINSON ON
BEHALF OF CENTRAL COAST ENERGY
SERVICES AND SUPPORTED THE BILL.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
KAYLA ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF
CENTRAL COAST ENERGY SERVICES.
CENTRAL COAST. ENERGY SERVICES,
IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT
PROVIDES UTILITY ASSISTANCE,
CONSUMER EDUCATION AND ENERGY
CONSERVATION SERVICES. IN SAN
FRANCISCO, MONTEREY, SAN BONINO,
SANTA CRUZ AND SAN MATEO
COUNTIES. CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A
LEADER ON REDUCING AIR POLLUTION
, INCREASING RENEWABLE ENERGY
PRODUCTION AND INCREASING ENERGY
pFOR DECADES. MORE RECENTLY, THE
STATE HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS
THE INEVITABLE IMPACTS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE. ESPECIALLY THOSE
IMPACTS RELATED TO EXTREME HEAT.
THE STATE WILL NEED TO
DRASTICALLY INCREASE THE NUMBER
OF CLIMATE BENEFICIAL APPLIANCES
IN HOMES TO ADDRESS SUMMER HEAT
AND HELP REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
BUILDINGS. TO THAT END, SB 5 60.
MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES
THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED BY
EXTREME HEAT AND HAVE THE
GREATEST NEED FOR CLIMATE
FRIENDLY TECHNOLOGIES CAN BECOME
LEADERS AND HELPING THE STATE
MEET ITS CLIMATE GOALS. SB 5 60
WOULD CREATE A GRANT PROGRAM AT
THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY
SERVICES AND DEVELOPMENT IN
COORDINATION WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION TO SUPPORT LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES AND ACCESSING
THE BENEFITS OF TECHNOLOGIES AND
GOALS, ESPECIALLY BY ALLOWING
THEM TO PURCHASE AND RETROFIT
THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WITH
ZERO EMISSION TECHNOLOGIES. FOR
ALL THESE REASONS, I RESPECT THE
URGENT ABOUT THANK YOU. THANK
YOU NEXT, ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. OKAY? ARE THERE
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? CASE C
NONE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THESE
ARE OUR NONE. UM HAPPY TO
SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. UH, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU
MEMBERS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. READ WE HAVE EMOTION
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA,
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GARCIA, SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DO PASS
THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS I FLORA FLORA I BENNETT
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS MATHIS. I'M MCCARTY.
MURATSUCHI ITSUKI I SUHARTO COR
TúI STONE. STONE. I WOULD. BILL
HAS SEVEN VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE IT
OPEN FOR MISSING MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. NEXT ITEM, 17. SB 10 75 BY
SENATOR SKINNER. THANK YOU,
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I DID HEAR
THAT MOTION. BUT I DO HAVE TO
SAY WHAT THAT I ACCEPTED
AMENDMENTS. AND SO I WILL. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR
ACCEPTING, AND I ALSO WANT TO
SAY THAT THE. THE DEFINITION
THAT YOUR CONSULTANT HELPED US.
UH, ACTUALLY, IT WAS THE ONE WHO
CAME UP WITH FOR THE PURPOSES OF
THE RPS WAS VERY, VERY GOOD, SO
I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. THANK
YOU. UM SO THAT I'M TAKING THAT
AMENDMENT, AND IT'S ALSO ADD
SOME ADDITIONAL PRIORITIES FOR
STATE FUNDING FOR THE HYDROGEN
HUBS. AND THEN JUST I KNOW WE
HAVE THE MOTION ALREADY. BUT I
JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD
THAT WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS
HELPS CALIFORNIA BE ABLE TO
COMPETE FOR THE FEDERAL MONEY
FOR A HYDROGEN HUB. AND IT ALSO
DIRECTS OUR STATE AGENCIES TO
ADOPT GREEN HYDROGEN INTO OUR
DECARBONIZATION PLANNING EFFORTS
BECAUSE. GREEN HYDROGEN IS ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP US
DE CARBONIZED SOME OF THE MOST
DIFFICULT TO DE CARBONIZED
SECTORS. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE
TO HAVE MY WITNESSES. IN SUPPORT
TO TESTIFY, AND I HAVE JANIS LYN
FROM THE GREEN HYDROGEN
COALITION AND STEVE CRUZ FROM
THE PORTA VOKE LÎNG. MADAM
CHAIR. SENATOR SKINNER. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. MY NAME
IS JANICE LYNN AND I'M FROM THE
GREEN HYDROGEN COALITION. GREEN
HYDROGEN IS THE SOLUTION THAT
WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR A
VERY LONG TIME. IT'S SCALABLE,
LOW COST CARBON FREE ALTERNATIVE
TO FOSSIL FUELS. IN ALL OUR
SECTORS, SHIPPING, AVIATION,
EVEN AGRICULTURE. THE TIMING FOR
THIS HAS NEVER BEEN GREATER
GIVEN THE WAR IN UKRAINE, AND
TODAY'S EXORBITANT FOSSIL FUEL
PRICES, WHICH IS AFFECTING COSTS
AND ALL SEGMENTS. TO REALIZE THE
ENERGY SECURITY, DIVERSITY
DIVERSITY, THE POLLUTION
BENEFITS, THE JOB CREATION
BENEFITS AND THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS. WE MUST
ACT NOW. GREEN HYDROGEN WILL
BECOME ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST
TREATED GLOBAL COMMODITIES AND
SPS 10 75. PUTS CALIFORNIA AMONG
ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE AMONG
NATIONAL LEADERS. BY IMPROVING
OUR COMPETITIVENESS IN THIS
SECTOR, IT JUMP STARTS. THE
FUNDING MAKES US A REALLY GREAT
CANDIDATE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING
AND PROVIDES NEEDED GUIDANCE FOR
FEDERAL FOR CALIFORNIA AGENCIES
. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS STEVE
CRUZ ON BEHALF OF THE PORT OF
OAKLAND. PLEASE STOP FOR SUPPORT
ON SB 10 75, THE PORT OF OAKLAND
HAS EMBARKED ON AN AMBITIOUS AND
AGGRESSIVE AIR QUALITY PLAN,
WHICH SEEKS TO BUILD UPON ITS
DECADE LONG SUCCESS IN REDUCING
DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER IN
CRITERIA POLLUTANTS IN ORDER TO
CONTINUE ITS PATH TOWARDS ZERO
EMISSION OPERATIONS. WE WILL
NEED THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OF
OUR FEDERAL AND STATE PARTNERS.
SB 75 WILL ASSIST IN OUR EFFORTS
TO LEVERAGE FEDERAL FUNDING FROM
THE I. J A PROGRAM WITH STATE
RESOURCES AND ALSO EXPAND OUR
COLLECTIVE PLANNING EFFORTS TO
CREATE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND
COST EFFECTIVE OPPORTUNITIES TO
INCORPORATE GREEN HYDRANT AND
FOR THESE REASONS WERE
RESPECTIVELY. ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU NEXT, ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. AND CHAIR
MEMBERS MIKE MONNING GOING TO
HAVE TO STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL THIS
BILL WILL BE HAD JOBS CREATOR
FOR OUR MEMBERS, WE ASK YOUR I
VOTE. JAMIE MINOR ON BEHALF OF
EMC. PLEASED TO SUPPORT.
SELECTING WITH THE SILICON
VALLEY LEADERSHIP GROUP IN
SUPPORT. MICHAEL DAFT WITH A
PRAYER AND MCNALLY ON BEHALF OF
REPUBLIC SERVICES AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LOW RYAN MCCARTHY ON
BEHALF OF AQUA HYDRATES,
MITSUBISHI POWER AMERICA'S AND
THEIR PRODUCTS AND SUPPORT.
KAYLA ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF CAL
STAR AND SUPPORT. MEMBER SAID.
HOW WOULD THREATEN PRICE
CONSULTING ON BEHALF OF AN L IN
SUPPORT? DENNIS SLOPER ON BEHALF
OF SEEING YOU AGAINST ELECTRIC
CONSIDERING CALIFORNIA GAS AND
SUPPORT. GREAT COOK,
REPRESENTING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
POWER AGENCY AND SUPPORT. RUTH
MCDONALD, 3, 50 SILICON VALLEY
AND 3 50. HUMBOLDT IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MARK FINSTER MAKER ON
BEHALF OF EARTH JUSTICE, WE DO
HAVE A REGISTERED POSITION OF
OPPOSING LESS AMENDED. OUR
CONCERN HAS CENTERED ON THE
DEFINITION OF CLEAN HYDROGEN. WE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE SENATOR
TAKING THE AMENDMENT THAT THE
COMMITTEE CONSULTANT CAME UP
WITH. WE DO THINK THERE IS STILL
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT. THAT WOULD GET US
ALL THE WAY OFF OF OPPOSITION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THE AUTHOR AND HER STAFF ON THAT
GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. SEE NONE. HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. OKAY, THERE ARE NONE
. THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US,
ESPECIALLY ON THAT DEFINITION
AND FOR ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. I KNOW
YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UM,
FOR SOME TIME NOW AND SO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD
AGAIN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. GREAT WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS I FLORA FLORA I BENNETT.
FRIEDMAN. GARCIA. GARCIA. I'M
MATHIS MATHIS. I'M MCCARTY.
MERIT SUKI SUKI, I SAY ARTO ARTO
ICED OAN. STONE. I WOULD WOULD
I? OKAY. THE BILL HAS EIGHT
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
MISSING MEMBERS. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE TWO MORE BILLS LEFT. ITEM
18 AND 19. SENATOR STERN OR
WIECKOWSKI. OKAY, WELL, ACTUALLY
, WE'LL DO THE CONSENT CALENDAR
FIRST. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND
FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL CONSENT CALENDAR
ITEMS ARE SB 10 13 ATKINS SP. 10
77 BATES. RIVAS RIVAS. I FLORA
FLORA I BENNETT FRIEDMAN. GARCIA
GARCIA, I MASSES MATHIS. I'M
MCCARTY. MERCER CHEE CHEE, I SAY
ARTO SEYARTO ICED AN. STONE. I
WOULD WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS
EIGHT VOLTS WILL LEAVE THAT.
OPEN FOR MISSING MEMBERS. ITEM
13. DO IT. WE STILL HAVE A FEW
BILLS TWO BILLS TO PRESENT. OH,
YOU OKAY, GREAT. SO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD WILL
PRESENT. ITEM 19 SP 38 FOR
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. I'M PRESENTING ON
BEHALF OF SENATOR WIECKOWSKI,
AND WE'LL START BY ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS AS LAID OUT
IN THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS, AND
WE HAVE A MOTION BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT HERE, SO WE'LL BE BRIEF.
SENATOR SP 38 HAS BEEN STAND
SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED NO LONGER
SEEKS TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE
REFORM FOR OUR STATE BOTTLE BILL
PROGRAM. AFTER 35 YEARS. OUR
PROGRAM NO LONGER REFLECTS THE
NEEDS OR TECHNOLOGY CAPABILITIES
ARE TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE TO
MAXIMIZE COLLECTION AND
REDEMPTION OR TO MEET OUR
CIRCULAR ECONOMY GOALS? NO OTHER
BOTHER BILL PROGRAMS HAVE
SUFFERED THE SAME LOSS OF
REDEMPTION INFRASTRUCTURE AND
DROP IN REDEMPTION RATES. OR
DEALS WITH THE ISSUES LIKE LACK
OF CONSUMER CONVENIENCE, FRAUD
AND CONTAMINATION MATERIALS. SB
38 6 TO ADDRESS THREE OF THESE
ISSUES FIRST, COMBATING THE
ONGOING ISSUE OF FRAUD IN OUR
PROGRAM BY PROHIBITING
PROCESSORS FROM MAKING PAYMENTS
TO RECYCLERS WITH CASH. CASH
PAYMENTS BETWEEN PROCESSES AND
RECYCLERS DO NOT DOES NOT EXIST
IN OTHER PROGRAMS AND MOVING
AWAY FROM THIS PRACTICE. BOTH
MODERNIZES OUR PROGRAM AND
PROVIDES CAL RECYCLE WITH BETTER
OVERSIGHT AND ENFORCEMENT
CAPACITIES. AH I SEE. THE BILL
ALSO ADDRESSES DRAFTING EFFORT
WITH OUR CURRENT MINIMUM CONTENT
LAW WITH HIGH SCRAP. PRICES IN
2022, THERE WILL LIKELY BE
ZEROING OUT OF PROCESSING
PAYMENTS AS OF 20 JANUARY, 1 23.
AT WHICH TIME MOST BEVERAGE
MANUFACTURERS USING PLASTIC
CONTAINERS WILL HAVE THEIR TOTAL
PROCESSING FEES AND REDUCED TO
BELOW $15,000 PER YEAR. SB 38
PROVIDES A TECHNICAL FIX FOR
THIS PROBLEM BY EXEMPTING
BEVERAGE MANUFACTURERS WHO SELL
FEWER THAN 22 MILLION
CONTAINERS. THAT SEEMS LIKE A
LOT TO ME STILL UM, THE SAME
THRESHOLD IN CURRENT LANGUAGE,
BUT EXPRESSED IN TERMS OF
CONTAINERS INSTEAD OF PROCESSING
PIECE PAGE. AS NOTED THE
ANALYSIS THAT WITH THE
AMENDMENTS I'M ACCEPTING THIS
THRESHOLD BE REDUCED TO TWO
MILLION IF SB 38 PASSED OUT OF
COMMITTEE WHICH ACHIEVES THE
SAME INTENTION THIS BILL TO
ENSURE BEVERAGE MANUFACTURERS
ARE NOT EXEMPTED FROM LAW DUE TO
AN ISSUE WITH THAT WAS DRAFTED.
FINALLY SP 38 DIRECTS CALVARY
CYCLE TO STUDY AND DEVELOP A
SYSTEM TO ADDRESS THE PROGRAMS
ON GOING ISSUES WITH
CONTAMINATION AND IMPROVE THE
QUALITY OF GLASS COLLECTED.
GLASS MATERIAL COLLECTED HERE
WITH ME AND SUPPORT SUSAN
COLLINS WITH THE CONTAINER
RECYCLING INSTITUTE AND JOHN
DUNLEVY WITH MING'S RESOURCE
EAST BAY. OF THE STAFF THERE.
WHICH IS A LOT OF WORK. SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI JUST WALKED IN. YOU
KNOW, THINK NO, HE WAS. YEAH, HE
WASN'T HERE. NOT HERE YET, BUT
THANK YOU. MY SEAT TO SENATOR
MAJKOWSKI, BUT THANK YOU TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD FOR
FILLING IN I THOUGHT YOU WOULD
WANT TO COME BACK. NO, THAT'S
YOUR BILL. YES, WE CAN HEAR FROM
OUR WITNESSES. I'LL ANSWER
QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE
OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO
THAT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS
SUSAN COLLINS AND I'M, PRESIDENT
OF THE CONTAINER RECYCLING
INSTITUTE. THANK YOU, CHAIR
RIVAS AND THE COMMITTEE FOR
INVITING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. THE
CONTAINER RECYCLING INSTITUTE IS
A NONPROFIT THAT HAS BEEN
SPECIALIZING IN CONTAINER
DEPOSIT RESEARCH FOR MORE THAN
30 YEARS. I'M HERE TODAY TO
SUPPORT SB 38 SPECIFICALLY THE
PROVISIONS OF THE BILL. THAT
WOULD CORRECT THE DE MINIMUS
PROVISIONS. WHEN
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S THINGS A B 7 93
PASSED IN 2020. IT ESTABLISHED
THE HIGHEST MINIMUM RECYCLED
CONTENT STANDARDS IN THE WORLD
FOR PLASTIC BEVERAGE CONTAINERS.
HOWEVER DUE TO AN ISSUE WITH THE
WAY THE STATUE WAS DRAFTED, AS
WELL AS SUBSEQUENT EVENTS, THE
RECYCLED CONTENT LAW COULD BE
RENDERED IN OPERABLE AS THE
MAJORITY OF BEVERAGE
MANUFACTURERS WILL BE EXEMPT
FROM THE LAW. IF THIS ONE
TECHNICAL ISSUE IS NOT
CORRECTED. THE DRAFTING ISSUE IS
WITH THE D MINIMUS PROVISION
THAT WAS MEANT TO EXEMPT THE
SMALLEST MANUFACTURERS THAT
COLLECTIVELY PRODUCED THE LAST
2% OF BEVERAGE CONTAINERS.
MINIMUS THRESHOLD WAS
EFFECTIVELY TIED TO SCRAP
PLASTIC PRICES. THESE SCRAP
PLASTIC PRICES HAVE MORE THAN
DOUBLED SINCE A B 7 93 PASSED IN
2020 AND THAT WILL SOON LEAD TO
THE ZEROING OUT OF PROCESSING
FEES THAT MANUFACTURERS PAY EACH
YEAR. AS A RESULT, THE MINIMUS
THRESHOLD, WHICH IS TIED TO
PROCESSING FEES, NOW APPLIES TO
ALL BEVERAGE MANUFACTURERS,
MAKING ALL OF THEM EXEMPT AND
RENDERING THE LOT INOPERABLE. SB
38 CORRECTS THIS DRAFTING ISSUE
BY CHANGING THE DE MINIMUS
THRESHOLD TO TIE TO THE
EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF UNITS OF
BEVERAGES SOLD IN THE STATE,
RESTORING THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF
THE LAW. IN ADDITION, THE CHANGE
TO A UNIT BASED STANDARDS WILL
ALSO AVOID POTENTIAL COSTS OF
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EACH
YEAR IN THE BEVERAGE CONTAINER
RECYCLING FUND ACCOUNT, RECYCLE.
THANK YOU. CHERRY VOUS AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME MY NAME IS JEFF DON
LEVY, GENERAL MANAGER OF MING'S
RESOURCES, EAST BAY AND PART OF
MING'S RECYCLING HERE IN
SACRAMENTO. WE STARTED AS A
SMALL FAMILY RECYCLING CRV
RECYCLING CENTER. NOW WE HAVE
THREE STATE CERTIFIED PROCESSING
FACILITIES AND WE HANDLE
APPROXIMATELY 35% OF ALL THE CRV
CONTAINERS. BURNING THROUGH THE
PROGRAM TODAY. I'M HERE TO TALK
ON SP 38. IT'S TAKING POSITIVE
STEPS TO HELP IMPROVE THE
PROGRAM, SPECIFICALLY CASH
PAYMENTS FROM PROCESSORS TO
RECYCLING CENTERS. UM MOST OF
OUR CUSTOMERS ARE THE RECYCLING
CENTERS THAT BRING THEIR
MATERIAL TO US, AND WE PAY THEM
FOR THE SCRAP VALUE. PAY EM CRV
IN THE PROCESSING PAYMENTS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 2050 OR
$100. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THOUSANDS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS PER TRANSACTIONS. THE
CURRENT STATUE IS SILENT ON HOW
PAYMENTS ARE TO BE MADE FROM
PROCESSORS TO RECYCLING CENTERS.
THERE ARE SOME PROCESSORS.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT HAVE EXPOSED
THAT SILENT NATURE AND THEY ARE
PAYING THEIR RECYCLING CENTER
CUSTOMERS IN CASH. UM PAYING BY
CASH. UM, LEADS TO AN
UNDERGROUND ECONOMY. AND AS
WE'VE SEEN, SOME OF THESE
PROCESSORS COME INTO THE PROGRAM
AND PAID BY CASH. WE'VE SEEN AN
INCREASE IN FRAUD IN THE
PROGRAM. UM IN SACRAMENTO. WE
HAD A PROCESSOR COME INTO TOWN.
THEY WERE PAYING THEIR CUSTOMERS
BY CASH, AND THAT LED TO
ALLEGATIONS FROM CALERA CYCLE
THAT RESULTED IN OVER $500
MILLION FRAUD ALLEGATION AGAINST
THEM. THAT WAS RECENTLY SETTLED
. SO AS A PROCESSOR. WE
DEFINITELY OPPOSE PROCESSING
PAYMENTS BEING PAID RECYCLING
CENTERS BY CASH, BECAUSE AGAIN
IT PROMOTES THE UNDERGROUND
ECONOMY. THE RECYCLING CENTERS
MAY HAVE REVENUE THAT IS UNDER
REPORTED TO THE I R. S THEY
COULD BE PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES
BY CASH. THERE COULD BE MISS
PAYMENTS OF STATE FEDERAL TAXES
, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE OR
WORKERS' COMP INSURANCE. MOST
IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, HOW IT
AFFECTS ALL PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS
. IS THESE RECYCLING CENTERS
THAT MAY BE OPERATING ON A CASH
BASIS. THEY DON'T RECORD THEIR
EXPENSES PROPERLY. SO THEN, WHEN
THE STATE DOES THEIR COST
SURVEYS THEY UNDER REPORT THEIR
EXPENSES AND THIS RESULTS IN
LOWER OPERATING COSTS THAT
AFFECT ALL RECYCLING PAYMENTS.
T RECYCLING CENTERS. CURBSIDE
PROGRAMS IN COLLECTION PROGRAMS
. SO SP 38 TAKES A STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION TO HELP IMPROVE
THIS AND CLARIFY THAT CASH
PAYMENTS FROM PROCESSORS TO
RECYCLE. CENTERS CANNOT BE MADE.
SO WE SUPPORT THIS. AND I ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH THIS,
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MET HIM CHAIR AND MEMBERS TONY
GONZALEZ, REPRESENTING TAMAROD,
NORTH AMERICA. IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THANK YOU. PERSONALLY, I
WOULD ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE
NATIONALIST STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT. ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. SEEN.
I ALMOST MISSED YOU. SORRY.
MICHAEL DAFT WITH THE PRAYER
MAKELELE ON BEHALF OF REPUBLIC
SERVICES. WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS,
REPUBLIC REMOVES THE OPPOSITION.
QUÊ ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEE
NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
WHIZZER OPPOSITION. HE REMOVED
REMOVED. REPUBLIC REMOVED
OPPOSITION, UM NO, I WOULD. I
TRIED TO DO SOMETHING MORE
AMBITIOUS IN THIS AREA AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO THE MEMBERS WHO
WILL BE HERE NEXT YEAR TO
CONTINUE THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE AND TO IMPROVING THE CAL
RECYCLE SYSTEM. UM MY SPONSORS
HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL ADVOCATES IN
SHINING SOME LIGHT INTO THE
DEFICIENCIES OF THE BOTTLE BILL
PROGRAM IN CALIFORNIA. THESE ARE
MODEST CHANGES, AND I WOULD URGE
AND I VOTE. SO THANK YOU. I WANT
TO THANK YOU, UM, FOR ALL YOUR
WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE AND
TRYING TO IMPROVE THE BOTTLE
BILL AND YOUR WORK WITH KELL
RECYCLE OVER THE YEARS. UM AND
YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT
THIS TODAY. UH AND YOU KNOW,
JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
EXT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA.
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS. RIVAS. I
FLORA. FLORA. I BENNETT. SPEND
IT. I FRIEDMAN FREEDOM AND I
GARCIA GARCIA, I MATHIS THIS NOT
VOTING. MCCARTY. MERIT. SUKI
SUKI. I SAY ARTO. SEYARTO ICE
STONE STONE. I WOULD WOULD I?
THAT BILL HAS NINE VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR MISSING
MEMBERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
YES. NEXT FINAL BILL ITEM. 18.
SB 11 64 BY SENATOR STERN
PRESENTED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FRIEDMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS BEFORE I BEGIN. I
WOULD LIKE ON SENATOR STEARNS
BEHALF TO ACCEPT ALL THE
AMENDMENTS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE
ANALYSIS TO ADDRESS PRIVACY AND
PUBLIC ACCESS CONCERNS ALSO
SHARED BY MEMBERS OF THE
ASSEMBLY, UTILITIES AND ENERGY
COMMITTEE AND MAKING OTHER
CLARIFYING CHANGES, TOO. THE
BILL. SB 11 64 PROMOTES
CALIFORNIA ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOALS
BY ENSURING WE TAKE THE
NECESSARY STEPS TO DEVELOP
ELECTRONIC REGISTRIES. THAT DO A
LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE SPONSORS
ARE GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT
MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS.
SCOTT WISH ON BEHALF OF THE
WESTERN STATES COUNCIL OF SHEET
METAL WORKERS REALLY SIMPLE THE
WAY WE ENFORCE TITLE 24, WHICH
IS THE CODE OF REGULATIONS THAT
CONTAINS ALL OF OUR ENERGY
EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. IS THAT
WHEN YOU INSTALL OR DO MAJOR
REPAIRS TO A HEATING AND AIR
CONDITIONING SYSTEM, YOU HAVE
WHAT'S CALLED A HERS RAIDER,
COME AND TEST THE SYSTEM AND
CERTIFY THAT IT'S MEETING THE
STATE'S ENERGY EFFICIENCY
STANDARDS. THIS HAS BEEN THE LAW
FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT THEY SEE HAS
DISCOVERED IS THAT THE NUMBER OF
BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE BEING
PULLED HAVE HAVE REDUCED DOWN TO
7% OF ALL THOSE PROJECTS,
MEANING THAT 93% OF THE
INSTALLATIONS ARE CIRCUMVENTING
THE STATE'S ENERGY EFFICIENCY
STANDARDS. WE'VE GRAPPLED WITH
THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND
REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO
EFFECTIVELY GET IT. THIS IS
HAVING A REGISTRY OF. THE
EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PURCHASED BY
WHOLESALERS TO THE BUILDING
PERMITS THAT ARE BEING PULLED SO
WE CAN ENSURE THAT OUR STATES
ENERGY EFFICIENCY STANDARDS ARE
BEING MET. WEIRD URGE AND I
VOTE. GOOD EVENING, TAMBIÉN SO
WITH OTHER INTERNATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF PLUMBING,
MECHANICAL OFFICIALS AND THE
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE TRADES
COUNCIL URGING YOUR STRONG
SUPPORT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS
BILLS, YOU KNOW, DOING TWO
THINGS. I MEAN. WE CAN HAVE THE
BEST. ENERGY CODES IN THE WORLD
. AND IF WE DON'T ENFORCE THEM,
IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANCE, WE'RE
NOT GOING TO GET OUR ENERGY
SAVINGS AND GREENHOUSE GAS
SAVINGS THAT WE WANT. THERE'S
TWO ASPECTS OF THIS. PEOPLE
AREN'T PULLING THEIR PERMITS AND
WHEN THEY ARE OLD PEOPLE AREN'T
ACTUALLY DOING THE TOTAL 24
ENERGY CODE COMPLIANCE. THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT COMPLIANCE
DOCUMENTS FOR SOME PROJECTS.
THAT COULD BE 200 DOCUMENTS AND
WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT
BUILDING OFFICIALS IN SOME
JURISDICTIONS AREN'T EVEN
COLLECTING THIS STUFF. AND THERE
WAS A COMPLIANCE WORKSHOP ABOUT
A MONTH AGO THAT ENERGY
COMMISSIONED DEAD AND BUILDING
OFFICIALS SAID WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
SAYING FOR 15 YEARS AND ENERGY
CODE ENFORCEMENTS ARE LOWEST
PRIORITY. THE FIRST PRIORITY IS
SAFETY. UH AND THEY NEED AN
EASIER WAY TO ENFORCE IT. WHAT
THIS BILL DOES. IS IT MAKES ALL
THE ENERGY CODE COMPLIANCE
DOCUMENTS DON ELECTRONICALLY IN
A STATEWIDE REGISTRY SO A
BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN DO PUT IN
AN ADDRESS AND CONFIRM THAT FOR
THAT PROJECT, ALL THOSE
DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE.
THEY'LL HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO
ENFORCE IT AND WILL ACTUALLY
MAKE IT. VERY EASY FOR THEM TO
ENFORCE IT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE
RESOURCES ISSUES. UM, AND THEN
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS IF
YOU DON'T PULL A PERMIT THAT
DOESN'T DO ANYTHING SO IT MAKES
SURE WE HAVE AN H BACK SALES
REGISTRY THAT WE CAN THEN TRACK
TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE
SELL EQUIPMENT TO CONTRACTORS
INSTALLERS WITHIN CALIFORNIA WE
CAN ATTRACT TO SEE THAT THEN THE
RESULTANT, UM, INSTALLATION
ACTUALLY HAD ALL THE PERMIT
REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE
DOCUMENTS FILED AND REGISTERED
WITH THE CENTRAL SYSTEM, SO THIS
HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR 15
YEARS. NOT A NEW IDEA, BUT IT'S
TIME FOR US TO TAKE ACTION ON
IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. KAYLA ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF
NRDC ACTION FUND, A COSPONSOR OF
THE BILL AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR MARK
FINSTER MAKER PLEASE SUPPORT ON
BEHALF OF EARTH JUSTICE. RUTH
MCDONALD IN SUPPORT. 3 50
SILICON VALLEY. MY GENETICALLY
OF CONTRACTORS, STATE LICENSE
SUPPORT AND SUPPORT OF THE BILL
AS AMENDED JUNE 14TH THANKS
THANK YOU NEXT. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? SEE
NONE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THERE
ARE NONE. THANK YOU FOR
PRESENTING ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GARCIA. I KNOW IT'S LATE. THANK
YOU. UM AND I APOLOGIZE. I'M
LOOKING AT ANALYSIS REALLY
QUICKLY. I GOT STEVE'S VILLAIN,
UTILITIES AND ENERGY, AND WE HAD
A LONG, ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT
PRIVACY CONCERNS. UM AND SO CAN
YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE'RE
ADDRESSING THEM IN THIS VERSION
OF THE BILL? YES TOM ANCELLOTI
ADDRESS THAT. SO SINCE WE HAD
THAT CONVERSATION WE'VE ACCEPTED
SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THIS
TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS ONE.
THE ORIGINAL VERSION SAID THAT
THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO
THIS DATABASE. WE REMOVED THAT
WE ACTUALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE
THAT THIS THE PUBLIC WON'T HAVE
ACCESS TO THE ELECTRONIC
DATABASE. IT WOULD JUST BE THE
BUILDING OFFICIALS AND AGENCIES.
WE ALSO MAKE CLEAR THAT, UM FOR,
UM UM, PUBLIC RECORD ACT
PURPOSES. IF THERE'S THE AND
DESIGNING THIS, THE ENERGY
COMMISSION SELL, IDENTIFY WHAT
PERSONAL INFORMATION OR BUSINESS
INFORMATION WILL BE PRESUMED TO
BE CONFIDENTIAL AND THEN YOU
KNOW, SO THAT WE WILL ADDRESS
THAT ISSUE AS WELL. SO WE HAVE
SOME SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS TO
ADDRESS THIS NOW, AND I JUST
MIGHT ADD PARENTHETICALLY THAT
BUILDING PERMANENT INFORMATION
IS ALREADY PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU
CAN GO AND PULL EVERY BUILDING
PERMIT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW,
ISSUED IN SACRAMENTO, YOU CAN DO
IT BY ADDRESS AND BY NAME YOU,
CAN YOU IT'S ALREADY PUBLIC
INFORMATION. THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE YOUR ADDRESSING THAT.
THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS.
EXCUSE ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO
WE HAVE A OH, WAIT. WE KNOW WE
DON'T HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BENNETT. SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA. THANK
YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS BILL ON
BEHALF OF SENATOR STERN. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE BOY? I'M
CONVINCED, AND I HOPE YOU ARE
TOO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUSIE
ASM ASSEMBLY MEMBER FRIEDMAN. WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS.
AYE, RIVAS. I FLORA FLORA. I
BENNETT. BENNETT. I FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA. GARCIA. I
MATHIS I'M MCCARTY. BACARDI
MASUCCI MURATSUCHI. AYE,
SEYARTO. SEE OR TWO I STONE
STONE. I WOULD WOULD I? THAT
BILL IS OUTTA HAS 11 VOTES. UM
WE WILL NOW GO THROUGH ALL THE
BILLS AND FOR THOSE THAT NEED TO
ADD ON. BUT UM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE
, JUST A REMINDER THAT WILL BE
BACK HERE TOMORROW MORNING AT 10
30 FOR A SPECIAL HEARING. I WANT
TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. SO THAT'S
WHY OKAY, SO WE WILL BE HERE IN
THIS ROOM AT 10:30 A.M. OR UPON
A GERMAN OF THE PRIVATE ASSEMBLY
PRIVACY COMMITTEE. BUT I BELIEVE
10. WE WILL BE HERE AT 10 30, SO
THANK YOU. AND NEXT, WE WILL GO
DOWN THE LIST OF BILLS STARTING
WITH ITEM ONE SB 13 22. THE
MOTION IS DO PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING
ABSENT MEMBERS, BENNETT BENNETT.
I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA.
CHILD 11 13 22 GARCIA, I SEYARTO
SEYARTO NÓ. WOULD WOULD I? NABIL
HAS EIGHT VOTES THAT'S OUT. NEXT
ITEM. FOUR SB 11 58. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
CHAIR VOTING. I ABSENT MEMBERS,
BENNETT BENNETT. I FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. I SEYARTO SEYARTO NO
WOOD. WOULD I? CAPITAL HAS EIGHT
VOTES. IT'S OUT. NEXT ITEM FIVE
SP 7 17 MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR
VOTING. I ABSENT MEMBERS, FLORA
FLORA. I BENNETT. BENNETT, I,
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I SEYARTO SEE
OR TWO I. THAT BILL IS OUT, HAS
11 VOTES. ITEMS SIX SB 8 52. THE
MOTION IS DEPRESSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING. I
ABSENT MEMBERS, BENNETT BENNETT.
I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I SEE HER
TOÀN. SEYARTO NÓ. ABLE TO HAS
EIGHT VOTES. THAT'S OUT, UM ITEM
SEVEN. SB 7 33. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS
RIVAS RIVAS I FLORA LORD, NOT
VOTING BENNETT. SPEND IT. I
FRIEDMAN VOTING, GARCIA. GARCIA.
I MCCARTHY MCCARTHY. AYE. SEVEN
VOTES. THAT BILL HAS SEVEN
VOTES. IT'S OUT. ITEM NINE. ITEM
EIGHT. SORRY ITEM EIGHT SP 13 47
. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBERS. RIVAS. AYE. RIVAS. I
FLORA. FLORA. I BENNETT.
BENNETT. I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I
MCCARTHY. BACARDI I HAVE 11
VOTES HAS 11 VOTES THAT'S OUT.
FOR NINTH ITEM. NINE. SB 10 20.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING. I
ABSENT MEMBERS, BENNETT BENNETT.
I FRIEDMAN. SB 10 20 LARRY
FRIEDMAN. YES, FRIEDMAN, I
MCCARTY MCCARTHY. AYE. IT HAS
EIGHT VOTES. BILL HAS EIGHT
VOTES. THAT BILL IS OUT ITEM 10
SB 11 48. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
CHAIR VOTING. I ABSENT MEMBERS,
BENNETT BENNETT. I FRIEDMAN.
VOTING SEYARTO. IS THERE TO NOT
VOTING WOULD AH! YES. SIX BOATS.
HAS EXPERTS HAS SIX VOTES. IT'S
OUT. I LOVE IT. UM 11 SP 12 30.
THE MOTION IS PASSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING. I
ABSENT MEMBERS, FLORA SORRY.
FLORA. I BENNETT. BENNETT. I
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. AYE. GARCIA.
GARCIA. I'M MCCARTHY. MCCARTHY I
HAS 11 VOTES. BILL HAS 11 VOTES
THAT'S OUT ITEM 13 SCR 53. THE
MOTION. IS THAT THE RESOLUTION
BE ADOPTED CHAIR VOTING I ABSENT
MEMBERS, BENNETT BEND IT. I
FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN, MATHIS,
MATHIS MCCARTY. MCCARTHY I HAS
10 BOOKS HAS 10 VOTES THAT'S OUT
ITEM 14 SP 12 15. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING. I
ABSENT MEMBERS FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN, I GARCIA. GARCIA
SEYARTO. SEYARTO NÓ. WHAT? WAIT.
OH WOULD SORRY. SORRY ABOUT
THAT. WOULD I? NINE. IT HAS HAS
NINE VOTES THAT'S OUT. ITEM 15
SB 13 29. THE MOTION IS PASSED
TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING.
I ABSENT MEMBERS, BENNETT SPEND
IT. I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I SAY
ARTO. ETC. OR SO I WOULD. WOULD
I? 10 VOTES THAT'S OUT ITEM 16
SP 5 60. THE MOTION IS PASSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING. I
ABSENT MEMBERS, BENNETT.
BENNETT, I, FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN.
I'M MCCARTY. MCCARTHY. I WOULD.
WOULD I HAS? 11 HAS 11 VOTES
THAT'S OUT ITEM 17 S B 10 75.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR
VOTING. I ABSENT MEMBERS BENNETT
BENNETT, I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN.
I'M MCCARTY. SO. 10 10 VOTES
THAT'S OUT. AND LAST IS ITEM 19
SP. 38 MICHAEL NO, WE HAVE 38 38. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR.
VOTING I ABSENT MEMBERS, MCCARTY
MCCARTY IS. OKAY JUST CONSENT
CALENDAR. DOES ANYONE NEED TO
ADD ON HAS NINE VOTES, SO THAT'S
OH, UM SO STILL ON SP 38 38
WIECKOWSKI MOTION DO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
MATTHEWS VOTING AYE. THAT HAS 10
VOTES. YES, YES. SO S P 38 HAS
10 VOTES. 38 HAS 10 VOTES THAT
BLOWS OUT NEXT THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. OKAY THE CONSENT
CALENDAR ITEMS OR SB 10, 13
ATKINS AND SB 10 77 BATES ABSENT
MEMBERS, BENNETT BENNETT. I
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I MCCARTHY SO. LAST TUNNEL. BILL HAS 10 I
MEAN CONSENT HAS 10 VOTES. IT'S
OUT. AND I WILL ADJOURN MEETING
ADJOURNED.